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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5734134 - 06/10/06 12:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Do you base this on personal experience or just is it just wishful thinking?


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5734971 - 06/10/06 05:35 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"Every opponent will fall to ashes by the simple presence of a true warrior"

The only true opponent for the warrior is the self.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5735012 - 06/10/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

its a black man with nothing to fall back on,
its a white man with no saving grace
its you and I...

A warrior is a humble man,
a man of statue; that doesn't
pretend to be what he isn't


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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5735069 - 06/10/06 06:08 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

a warrior is all the simple people
asking simple questions...

Who am I


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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #5735490 - 06/10/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

"The only true opponent for the warrior is the self."

That's it exactly. And it's been my experience that warrior is the correct term and it is a war.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Icelander]
    #5736309 - 06/10/06 11:42 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Holy shit is it ever a war!!! Every day could be one's "last battle on Earth" as well.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda


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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Schwammel]
    #5737984 - 06/11/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

To Icey,
If you know your goals and limits, the 'yes' and the 'no' falls so deterministic, that one can afford to see how far your opponent will go, before he struggles by himself. Mostly experience.
Try it :wink:


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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5738053 - 06/11/06 01:49 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I have no opponents.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Icelander]
    #5738142 - 06/11/06 02:19 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Opponents may also be called everything that opposes ones state of wellbeing in a more associative way.

As Hue said, the strongest opponent may be the 'me' itself.


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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5738185 - 06/11/06 02:32 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds like war. :laugh:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Icelander]
    #5738869 - 06/11/06 05:43 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

If there is a war, it is a war fought with love. This is what the term fool represents to me, Blue, that he surrenders and accepts. Falls freely. The term warrior in war with it's own self sounds strange. I am in war with my own self too much of the time already, and it feels very wrong. Then again, what is this self? The thoughts of yesterday (and all days ahead) gathered into a lump forming me to react as I do, even writing this. How can I suppress it? Should I?

The fool archetype taken to an extreme leads me into nihilism and apathy, because I can't get over the fact that stuff ends and nothing really matters in the end. It makes me feel coldhearted, or said in another way, there is one thought (part of my self) that judges this prementioned thought as coldhearted, or at least detached from the world and the suffering. Thoughts lay around intermingled like that and it's hard to unwind it. Is this the subconscious structure that is the wall hiding me from me true self? Is karma just another term for the subconscious with it's roots and many branches spread out forming the reactional behaviour of every being? Can there be found a higher self on the other side of this wall, and have you found it? Do you dwell in it? Is this awakening?

So all these different anchored thoughts are my different selves, organizing themselves in resonance and making the inner "me" a myriad of personalities.

Maybe it could be said it is a war against the illusion of a fixed self? And if we would accept or somehow integrate this as the foundation of life, then every deed ever done both by "others" and by "ourselves" would easily be accepted. I just can't seem to integrate it. It keeps slipping away. So I shouldn't even integrate it, as the process of trying to grab on makes it slide away? Then all one could do is to let it fall down, to give up? It is a paradox which is spinning me in circles. Damn, I always seem to move in circles. Hopefully this spiral goes upwards.

So to me it now seems that I have to realize that there is no me in the first place. And I do realize this, but it doesn't help. But I am sure there is a way around it, to experience reality without this veil of self. I suspect I've had glimpses of this, and can't stop thinking about that I must anchor in this. That the I must die. Do you think it is possible to accomplish it? There wasn't like a mystical dimension or anything coming through, only a true humble nakedness making me feel like I never felt before. I'm not sure I even did experience it, maybe I'm just deluding myself further.

A person who unwinds from all the different selves will have no pre-conditioning left, this is what I mean with that he will truly be a fool. Maybe this is where the real fun starts? This is to have given up the self to the flow of the Tao. Do anyone think it is possible at all? Have you done it? What does awakening mean?

Sorry if I'm going off-topic. I've been confused again today.

But what is left? It's just thoughts into thoughts into thoughts and there is no way out of it. How can this be a gradual process?

The self itself is the war. The very concept of having a self will mean a constant struggle cause there cannot be separation in true harmony. Different aspect will be in disorder. We cannot even have two thoughts that don't contractict themselves in one way or the other. Therefore we must end it. End our self. Could this be the archetypical surrendering on the cross?

It does seem like a war, I agree. I watched the temptation of christ yesterday, which is a movie using Jesus as an archetypical figure to display the eternal struggle between spirit and the flesh in man. He waged a war with an axe, baptizing with fire which is love.

Sorry for the long ramble.


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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: dorkus]
    #5738984 - 06/11/06 06:14 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The term warrior in war with it's own self

There's a misunderstanding here. The war is with the false programs and herd mentality and not with the true self. The battle is to free the authentic spirit of the self so one may live as fully as possible. Can anyone say they don't have to fight for it? Effort is what I'm talking about. Effort against our inerta and fear and lazyness. Our desire to roll over and be safe at all costs.

It takes a warrior also to look nothingness and death in the face and decide to live out his or her destiny with gusto. Thats a war also.

Maybe it could be said it is a war against the illusion of a fixed self? Yes! you said a mouthful here.

So to me it now seems that I have to realize that there is no me in the first place.

Don't be too sure of this. There is a you IMO and what you must realize is that it is more than just your personality structure. You are everything that is.

Good post. You're thinking.(and feeling) :thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: Icelander]
    #5739011 - 06/11/06 06:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you for clearing it up for me. :japsmile:


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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: dorkus]
    #5741307 - 06/12/06 10:58 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, a war against false programming of the self... very well said, Ice.
I hope, what I say now correlates a bit, because I will speak a bit more 'freely':
As long as one struggles, one is no warrior. If one IS, then the time has come :wink:
The gimmick herein lies, as Ice said, the warrior is not dependent on any human or fact, besides the ones he chooses to be, and which he knows and can build upon.
If someone opposes his 'goals', he simply gives the 'opponent' the choice to flee or die. But if the opponent (also associative) is weak, the warrior may council a/his 'healer' and may heal him, adding him/it to ones 'army', instead of making him vanish :smile:
I think, a good warrior must also be a good healer and vice versa, else it won't work right.
:heart:

BUT, a warrior also has to re-check, re-prove and recontemplate his 'inner' and 'outer' goals for validity, achievement, necessity and of course if he is still in sync with them. Else he will get blind...and...fool (again ?) and he will lose his path, making him no warrior anymore.

Recontemplate in private (without human influence) and be sure (again) with your opponents and friends.


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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #5741338 - 06/12/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

» Who The Cap Fit

Man to man is so unjust, children
You don't know who to trust
Your worst enemy could be your best friend
And your best friend your worst enemy

Some will eat and drink with you
Then behind them su-su 'pon you
Only your friend know your secrets
So only he could reveal it
And who the cap fit, let them wear it [repeat]
Said I throw me corn, me no call no fowl
I saying, "Cok-cok-cok, cluck-cluck-cluck"

Some will hate you, pretend they love you now
Then behind they try to eliminate you
But who JAH bless, no one curse
Thank God we're past the worse

Hypocrites and parasites
Will come up and take a bite
And if your night should turn to day
A lot of people would run away
And who the cap fit let them wear it [repeat]


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Re: What is a warrior? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5741552 - 06/12/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

A warrior is the unorthodox killer; Is the shadow that flickers in the corner of your eye when you weren't paying attension, The razor sharp sammori that slices you to oblivion; an indivdual keen upon destruction for the pride of his heart and the anger of his mind, but is justified by the rawness of his nature and convinction of his truth.


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