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OfflineC.M. Mann
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Re: Carlos Castaneda, thoughts anyone? [Re: Phred]
    #9705572 - 01/30/09 02:55 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

In the 60s I was a student at UCLA. At the time it was chic to go to Mexico to look for the Don. On one of my trips I ran into Carlos, and talked to him several times over the course of three days. I am fairly certain that he never admitted that Don was not real. My experiences in Mexico has led me to believe this;  That the Don was real, but Carlos never met him.  Out of everyone who went to Mexico, Carlos was the only one who was accepted into the inner circles.  Carlos opened up a new world, and the 60s pop culture quickly closed the door. When Leary led the hoards of stoned self-centered opportunists, they destroyed any chance of finding the real Don. Everyone started attacking Carlos, and no real research was ever started. I hounded Carlos to the point where he finally gave me directions to a Mexican village in the mountains.  During that visit I had experiences that convinced me that Carlos had indeed found something. -------------Everyone is so certain that Carlos was a fake, and that we already know everything about psychedelics. No real research has been done since!  I don't know how much of his books were just imagination, but I do know that at least part of it is true.  It's weird hearing people still talking about Don, I didn't know there was still an interest in the subject. Most people here would not agree, but I still think that this is an important question that needs to be answered.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda, thoughts anyone? [Re: C.M. Mann]
    #9705733 - 01/30/09 03:32 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

So what is the best book(s) to someone sort of interested in his writings, but has no idea about it really. Recommend :laugh:


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Re: Carlos Castaneda, thoughts anyone? [Re: andrewss]
    #9706214 - 01/30/09 05:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I am not an expert, but everyone should read at least the first two books. ( The Teachings of Don Jaun, and A Separate Reality ). Then if you are still interested, ( Journey to Ixtlan ).  After that there are five more! They are not big books, and shouldn't take that long to read. The main thing that interested me is what I think is Carlos's main theme.  That you can produce states of nonordinary reality by ingesting psychotropic plants.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda, thoughts anyone? [Re: Cosmic_Monkey]
    #9710207 - 01/31/09 07:36 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Thanks Markus. Anyone with experience analyzing and writing texts, sees that Don Juan is a fiction.

That's not to say that people can't pull mystical insight out of him. They do that when they read the Book of Mormon, or when they stare at cockroaches when they're stoned.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda, thoughts anyone? [Re: Cosmic_Monkey]
    #9710266 - 01/31/09 08:31 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I'm just curious if anyone on here has read much of his work and what thoughts you have about it.  I read a good few of his books years ago and thought it was pretty far-out shit.  I don't know if there's any truth to it but I found it to be a good fantasy anyway. 
I remember in one he was talking about being by a stream "smoking mushrooms" :smirk: and he said that the particals of water in the mist grew and grew until he climbed inside one and floated off downstream.  He also said that if Don Jaun hadn't revived him from that it could have been fatal.  I have to admit I was a little dissapointed when I tried muhsrooms and that didn't happen. 
Not to long ago I was talking to someone and they told me that he never even went to Mexico and that he made it all up sitting in his house in New York.... 




If you look beyond the wild drug tales and examine the practical information it is very usable stuff. Read Journey to Ixtlan and try to practically apply the information presented to your life in a holistic fashion. If you do this you will have many keys to personal transformation at your disposal.


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Re: Carlos Castaneda, thoughts anyone? [Re: Phred]
    #12916010 - 07/18/10 06:09 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

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Then the critics must be truly irritated with Florinda Donner-Grau, Taisha Abelar, and Carol Tiggs, all of whom maintain that Don Juan was a real individual and their instructor, and that Castaneda's description of the world is real.




Well, for one thing, all three of those women happened to be UCLA students of anthropology at the same time as Castaneda. Wouldn't it be strange that Don Juan also took these foreigners under his wing, when he stated that the only reason he taught Castaneda was because Mescalito specifically designated him in a very unusual way. What are the chances that Mescalito would also designate these women also in a very special and unusual way (making it not that unusual at all), and further that these women just so happened to (probably) know Castaneda personally before all this happened as anthro students at UCLA?

I loved his writing as much as you did, and think that there is definite wisdom in the practice of Nagualism, but I just can't accept the above as coincidence :sad: Still, I highly recommend!


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Re: Carlos Castaneda, thoughts anyone? [Re: peace23]
    #12916051 - 07/18/10 06:19 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

Also, he sued Victor Sanchez for copyright infringement over similar imagery on their book covers. Really? Come on, I feel like if Carlos really lived like a "warrior" of Don Juan's teachings, there's no way he'd give half a rat's ass about similar imagery on some dude's book cover, much less desire monetary compensation. The thought is laughable!


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Re: Carlos Castaneda, thoughts anyone? [Re: peace23]
    #12916058 - 07/18/10 06:21 PM (11 years, 2 months ago)

What I learned was how to smoke mushroom powder.


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