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Re: validating beliefs through action [Re: DoctorJ]
#5695173 - 05/31/06 02:39 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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You come off as more of a Taoist than a Christian, as do many Christians who don't interpret the Bible literally. If you used the word "Tao" instead of "God" or "Christ," would there be any difference?
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no
taoism and christianity are the same religion
Taoism is just a little older
what do you think Christ did during the unrecorded years of his life?
what do you think he went to the East to study?
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Re: validating beliefs through action [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said: what do you think Christ did during the unrecorded years of his life?
what do you think he went to the East to study?
I have no idea.
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fireworks_god said: If you are simply going to use God in the sense that God is every aspect of reality, then it it a useless term. "Computer", standing on its own, represents the physical state we identify as being a computer. Referring to it as God as well adds no value and serves no purpose. Reality is reality. Creating a new term that represents the same thing but contributes no more purpose is foolish.
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itstarssaddam said:
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DoctorJ said: what do you think Christ did during the unrecorded years of his life?
what do you think he went to the East to study?
I have no idea.
uhhhh... Eastern Religion? little dense there, huh?
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fireworks_god said: If you are simply going to use God in the sense that God is every aspect of reality, then it it a useless term. "Computer", standing on its own, represents the physical state we identify as being a computer. Referring to it as God as well adds no value and serves no purpose. Reality is reality. Creating a new term that represents the same thing but contributes no more purpose is foolish.
that's fuckin narrowminded. Ever heard of a synonym?
They edited all the synonyms out in the Newspeak Dictionary. Why? Control.
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Re: validating beliefs through action [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said:
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itstarssaddam said:
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DoctorJ said: what do you think Christ did during the unrecorded years of his life?
what do you think he went to the East to study?
I have no idea.
uhhhh... Eastern Religion? little dense there, huh?
How do you know if it's unrecorded?
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Re: validating beliefs through action [Re: DoctorJ]
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fireworks_god said: If you are simply going to use God in the sense that God is every aspect of reality, then it it a useless term. "Computer", standing on its own, represents the physical state we identify as being a computer. Referring to it as God as well adds no value and serves no purpose. Reality is reality. Creating a new term that represents the same thing but contributes no more purpose is foolish.
that's fuckin narrowminded. Ever heard of a synonym?
They edited all the synonyms out in the Newspeak Dictionary. Why? Control.
"God" is not a synonym for "everything in existence." A metaphor perhaps, but this terminology is misleading as the majority of people intrepret "God" as the bearded man in the sky described by literalist Christians (who compose the majority, I believe), and "Christ" as if you are referring to the man, Jesus of Nazareth.
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it isn't
just because something didn't make it into the bible doesn't mean it was 'unrecorded'
there are other books you know.
the bible is crap. Though the book itself does contain some truth and wisdom, on the whole there are some glaring errors, omissions and misquotations. Its the Warren Report of the Roman Empire. Its the story of Jesus as told by the people who killed him. Its a bunch of crap the Roman government put together so they could control people!
believe me, if Christ came back today, he wouldn't be Christian. At least not exclusively.
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Re: validating beliefs through action [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ said: just because something didn't make it into the bible doesn't mean it was 'unrecorded'
You're the one that said it.
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sorry, I meant 'unrecorded by the fascist bully-boys of history'
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Its reassuring knowing that I don't have to behave in a manner equivalent to smacking my head into a wall, repeatedly, with a lot of violent force, that manner being repeatedly making points addressing a similar topic (usually one that shouldn't have to be discussed repeatedly, but its amazing how often people defy common sense), as isstarsaddam will always be around to quote me.

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If I should die this very moment I wouldn't fear For I've never known completeness Like being here Wrapped in the warmth of you Loving every breath of you
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Re: validating beliefs through action [Re: fireworks_god]
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DoctorJ, I may be biased. If I am wrongly so, I apologize. Your pride stands in the way of your greatness.
I for one think you're brilliant -- but you seem to REALLY like yourself and your own thoughts to a point where it takes away from your brilliance and makes you look unnattractive as both a teacher and philosopher. We all have learning to do, and we all have growing to do -- you know this as well as any one else.
In short, you seem a little conceited most of the time (meaning not all of the time).
(That's from my perspective though. I don't speak for anyone but myself. No insult intended. We're here to help one another.)
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Re: validating beliefs through action [Re: fireworks_god]
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Its reassuring knowing that I don't have to behave in a manner equivalent to smacking my head into a wall, repeatedly, with a lot of violent force, that manner being repeatedly making points addressing a similar topic (usually one that shouldn't have to be discussed repeatedly, but its amazing how often people defy common sense), as isstarsaddam will always be around to quote me.

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Yeah, man. Whenever I read something which I find inspiring on this board I save it and write down the name of the user who originally said it. Your quote that I referenced on the previous page should be stickied, seriously. It would eliminate so much confusion.
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You are one organized dude. You must have 6 or 7 by now.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: validating beliefs through action [Re: Icelander]
#5696264 - 05/31/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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numbers are for computers
free your mind
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Re: validating beliefs through action [Re: DoctorJ]
#5697975 - 06/01/06 01:34 AM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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DoctorJ said: the only ones who truly understand christ consciousness are those who are not corrupted by its awesome power.
you may be christ conscious in your ability to love good universally,
but can you love evil in the same regard?
you think you could be that big a man, as Christ himself, who asked God to forgive those that murdered him?
Unless you understand and practice the true nature of christ, you are far from saved. In fact you are in very dire peril.
actually, there is a large group of people who think Christ should be a warrior who smites the wicked.
Then there's another group that wants him to be peace and love
How is Christ supposed to satisfy all these people when their interests conflict directly?
He does. I can't tell you how, but he does.
hey doc,
Wondering how you make sense of yourself to yourself.
In your what you want thread, you said you would put a cap in the ass of anyone who messed with you. How does that make you forgiving, unconditionally loving of those who commit harmful acts to you "Christ Like" and how do you consider yourself to be able to violently pop caps in asses and be "saved"?
Do you consider your own life not to be in dire peril. I wonder where someone who makes threats of violence to people daily considers themselves to have mastered Christ Consciousness.
Are you sure your need to smite those who you judge to be the wicked is coming from your own Christ Consciousness, or support from the entity Jesus in the discarnate?
Why do you use the word Christ as if it only means Jesus? Jesus was a human man. Christ consciousness is just a vibratory frequency of compassion anyone can resonate with.
I wonder if you beleive that loving evil means loving the evil acts themselves? Compassion is about understanding what drives people into them , loving the Christ within them and forgiving them of their actions. That doesn't mean supporting or condoning the "evil " actions, let alone loving the actions.
I also want to ask why you beleive he cares to be what people want or expect him to be?
I've been communing with him heart to heart on and off for a long time now and though he will customize his wording and use of metaphor and symbolism to better reach understanding with who he is coversing with, he never compromises his integrity of who he is, to be who I want him to be.
If whoever you chat with does that with you, I would question the possibility of a poser trying to manipulate you into smiting others in the name of Jesus.
If I asked Jesus to help me smite someone, (the thought alone is ridiculous to me) he would start with questions or guided insighting, techniques or both, to help me heal that feeling and intent. He would help me come to a place of understanding, compassion, peace and forgiveness.
And you said you wanted peace while at the same time say you are quick to pop caps in the asses of anyone who gets in your way? How do you expect to live in peace while living in fear of loss and judging who deserves violent punishment at the same time?
How do you make sense to yourself of all of the conflicting messages you give within the same day?
I know taking multiple views just comes along with the territory of multi dimensional consciousness and there is no doubt you are there.
Reading your stuff is a wild ride you shift around so radically and quickly. I wonder how it is you handle the wild ride you live within and post from day after day. I've never seen anyone go with so much stamina at it. Is that coke or natural? What's going on doc? Why the Bad Ass bit? Can you handle the power of Christ or has it corrupted you?
My daughter was asking what I was reading and I said I was typing a reply out wanting to better understand someone who posts a lot of conflicting stuff and she asked, "is he a gemini?" Are you?
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so what if someone dies?
do you really think death is the end?
death is for your own good, man. Its the only way you'll truly change and evolve.
Do you not like action movies? Kung Fu movies? Should there be no opposition to light (even if it is a paper target, destined to fall?)
You can't cut out the dark side! Its there for a good reason! How well does your light work, without a dark space to shine in?
The end of Hell, death, and pain, is the Death of Justice. And Justice is Immortal Justice cannot be killed, ever.
Nobody likes hell. Thats why its pretty easy to avoid. Don't be a dumbass and do a bunch of stupid shit that causes pain in other people's lives!
If pain is not returned to its source, there is no Justice!
Don't you realize that there is a downward pointing pentagram in your light body? Even your philosophy does not rule out the dark side. As a being of light, you must embrace the darkness, for it is truly the other half which makes you whole.
I know that you are close to the light my friend. Perhaps a little too close. You must explore the other side of the universe. I've been to hell before, its not that bad. If you get a good job there, its actually kind of fun 
You think you understand totality just because you know the letter 'A'? There is a 'Z', too my friend. And a lot of stuff in between. Don't you want to stick around to see the whole show, or would you rather go back to being one again?
get too close to the light,
and you'll fry like a bug in a buglight.
the darkness is there for your wisdom, friend. Explore the empty spaces, and start new creations in them. I know you are capable of this.
I'm sorry, but pretty much all you just said boils down to one thing: "I'm scared of the dark, J!" Why? You have a built in nightlight. Actually, you have a built in holographic projector, capable of producing whatever you desire on the surface of a blank canvas. The blank canvas is the DARKNESS!
make darkness into light, creator. Not that you are THE creator, but I know you are a creative type 
See the empty darkness? Its there for you to write on with your magic pen! Respect its existence!
You look into the sky, and you admire the stars. But what about the black spaces in between them? How beautiful would the midnight sky be if it were nothing but a single white light? Don't you like nebulas, galaxies, and everything that comes from the separation of concepts and the virtue of things being themselves? For if we all collapsed into one universal mind, you and I would be but brief thoughts in its frontal lobes.
Why trade the lead role in a cage for a walk on part in the Wall?
don't be so scared to travel!
you have nothing but wisdom to gain by plunging into the darkness
you know damn well they can't take your light away!
so travel far, learn much, and come back to the light when you're ready!
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Re: validating beliefs through action [Re: DoctorJ]
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so what if someone dies?
I can communicate with spirit so it doesn't effect me when loved ones pass on in a "loss sense".
Ask that question to the people who loved those that died and are experiencing tremendous amounts of loss and grief, pain and guilt. Its not cool to see others go through it, especially kids who loose their parents at a young age a
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do you really think death is the end?
Its the end of the physical life, not that of the soul or spirit.
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death is for your own good, man. Its the only way you'll truly change and evolve.
I've changed and evolved my understanding so much while I have been alive and consciously aware incarnate and discarnate. Life here there and everywhere has been for my own good. The only death that is ever for my own good is the death of any ideas or beliefs that do not support my own good general well being or that of others.
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Do you not like action movies? Kung Fu movies? Should there be no opposition to light (even if it is a paper target, destined to fall?)
I get waaaaaaaaaaaay more excited watching the ability to direct and channel power and energy into constructive actions and upliftments. Thats a lot more challenging and requires greater skill and strength then taking advantages of weaknesses where you find them. Any half wit can do that.
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You can't cut out the dark side! Its there for a good reason! How well does your light work, without a dark space to shine in?
You don't need a light when the space you are in is already lit. I must be wording this wrong. Where are the words to illustrate this. In the dark you NEED a light. In the dark we have many NEEDS. In the light, we have no need for light. We have NO NEEDS. It's all clearly there for the making.
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The end of Hell, death, and pain, is the Death of Justice. And Justice is Immortal Justice cannot be killed, ever.
And how is this belief of yours serving you?
Justice is an illusion, it never was Needed either and you would know that if you came out of the darkness that statement came from.
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Nobody likes hell. Thats why its pretty easy to avoid. Don't be a dumbass and do a bunch of stupid shit that causes pain in other people's lives!
Some people LOVE raising hell. What are you talking about? And there are those in it, and want out, and can't find the way and you say it is easy for anyone to avoid? Tell that to the millions who are suffering and struggling in life. Only easy to avoid once your out of it and moving in new directions of ease and grace.
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If pain is not returned to its source, there is no Justice!
You support vengeance and equate yourself with being saved and having mastered Christ Consciousness?  Dude, listen to yourself. last week, you told Tren that his comment about particles was a dangerous belief. You said there was only ONE WAVE.
Now you are splitting things not only back into dualities, but are throwing them out of balance and seeing a need for justification.
Which is it?
You were closer with the ONE wave as the macro and he just gave the micro versions of the macro. The Energy that is, is always in balance with itself because their is nothing else.
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Don't you realize that there is a downward pointing pentagram in your light body? Even your philosophy does not rule out the dark side. As a being of light, you must embrace the darkness, for it is truly the other half which makes you whole.
No its not the true light body. I've posted on that slicing and dicing tetrahedron form running oppositions against each other that belongs in the junk yard. I dismantled mine years ago and replaced it with the vortex sphere. See my sig dude!
The tetrahedron is not the true mer ka bah. You will never get past the astral plane with it. Our light bodies look like my sig and the physics run very differently. The incoming and outgoing vortexes top to bottom run in the same direction and yet standing at either end you would get both clockwise and counter clockwise spins for push and pull forces required for movement. No need for oppositions running against each other that slice and dice the energy body to shreds when it goes off balance and wobbles.
My philosophy knows that the darkness is just where light has been blocked by density. It knows it as a not thing. I covered that with you in MR&P. And you said you fill people with darkness? All you can do is TRY to block light from shining to put something in the dark.
I do not believe I am half dark and half light. To be complete is to be FULL FILLED with Love and light. To be half dark is to be half empty and half of the fully realized self.
Believing that you are half dark (half empty) will always have you feeling lonely, incomplete, unfulfilled and looking to have the other half fulfilled with love. I do not support that belief nor do I believe it in nor will I ever, because it makes no sense to believe yourself unfulfilled and empty.
Besides, you can not embrace a shadow. It has no substance what so ever. Go out tomorrow in the sun and do all you can to find the substance to embrace of your cast shadow. Its just where light has been blocked by dense matter. Same with the spirit self, dense thoughts and emotions that create the shadow self.
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I know that you are close to the light my friend. Perhaps a little too close. You must explore the other side of the universe. I've been to hell before, its not that bad. If you get a good job there, its actually kind of fun 
I already have experienced the full fall and it sucks. It only seems fun when you are in separatists ego. When you move back into compassion, it's not cool anymore.
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You think you understand totality just because you know the letter 'A'? There is a 'Z', too my friend. And a lot of stuff in between. Don't you want to stick around to see the whole show, or would you rather go back to being one again?
Woaahhhhhhhh, I am not one of those people who wants to merge back into a glob of love goo and loose their sovereignty and individuated consciousness. I am looking forward to eons and eons of realizing the rest of the alphabet and then some. The only thing I am getting ready to kiss goodbye to for good, is duality perception.
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You have the flames of hell confused with the violet flame of the sacred heart and the warmth of loves embrace. It doesn't burn or hurt. It relaxes, soothes, comforts and purifies. MMMMM I bath in it regularly. 
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the darkness is there for your wisdom, friend. Explore the empty spaces, and start new creations in them. I know you are capable of this.
Now this I can relate to because you finally called it empty spaces. Indeed, I live to fill them with light. Love it love it love it. I even create new empty space to be filled with new things and work very much with voids. I use to post about that related to manifesting.
For those who don't understand how it all works, the spaces kept(perceptually empty) of love and light are just dark, cold, scary and lonely. Once you get fulfilled, you start expanded by penning up new spaces and fulfilling those. Blah blah blah, I don;t see it as being a means to achieve wisdom though. To me, its just about realizing more of our creative power and the possibilities and potentials to be experienced.
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I'm sorry, but pretty much all you just said boils down to one thing: "I'm scared of the dark, J!" Why? You have a built in night light. Actually, you have a built in holographic projector, capable of producing whatever you desire on the surface of a blank canvas. The blank canvas is the DARKNESS!
I've already posted all of that in the past here J. I've talked about being your own source of light and our ability to illuminate anything from within. I can see in the dark dude. It doesn't frighten me a bit. It is just a blank canvas to me. What I said was, I still have a ways to build up my nervous system and energy body matrix to handle MORE LOVE and LIGHT power. Every time I am ready to take on more of that, it does overwhelm me, sometimes. The feeling of being overwhelmed by anything good or bad can be scary "if" you start separating yourself from being the source of it. Then, it becomes down right intimidating its so powerful.
You missed an awesome article I once shared on a speech by Nelson Mandela. He talked about how it is not our darkness that frightens us. It is our light. He talked about how afraid people are to stand in it and let it shine. So true.
Non the less, it's been best for me to open up to more in bits at a time, so I can get comfortable with managing it and staying responsible with my use of it.
The darkness is nothing to be afraid of. It has ZERO power. Are you afraid of your shadow or any one elses? Of course not. Why? They are harmless.
Dr J said: See the empty darkness? Its there for you to write on with your magic pen! Respect its existence!
I see it differently then you do. We create them, they are not just "there". We have the power to open up them and to fill them up. There is nothing to it to be given respect. What deserves respect or not is what the artists decide to fill the empty spaces they create with.
Night skies are pretty. The white light has colors in it who's beauty blows away anything else I have ever seen. Like I said, I have no desire to collapse into any one One Mind. I tap into it though. 
Where some see white and black in conflict, I prefer to see colors of the rainbow, light, in complimentary contrasts. 
Dr. J said: Why trade the lead role in a cage for a walk on part in the Wall? don't be so scared to travel!
Ego loves the lead roles. As a kid, I loved center stage. As I mature, I am preferring supportive roles, behind the scenes rolls and even those as stage designer, roles with no visibility at all.
I'm digging remembering who to go stealth in my travels these days.
Your funny, advising me to travel. I'm hardly ever in fully in my body. The regulars here know I am a first class space cadet. It's a rare moment to catch my ship grounded.
Dr. J said:you have nothing but wisdom to gain by plunging into the darkness
you know damn well they can't take your light away!
Plunge into forgetfulness again? NO WAY. I am preferring the remembering experience. Perhaps we are saying the same thing, only you see empty spaces that already exists. I experience all potentials already in existence awaiting to be fulfilled. When I say i create a void, the just means, I open up more space in my mind and heart to accept more of what already is.
Dr J said:so travel far, learn much, and come back to the light when you're ready!
We are the light. There is no where to go without it, nothing to be or become without it, and nothing knew to be seen , know, realized, or experienced without it. In other words, never leave home again without it or you'll end up stuck in dark, cold, lonely, ditch.
So are you a Gemini or what?
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I just wanted to add some to offer clarity about how I see the voids. The sort of empty spaces that suck, that we create, are when we experience loss of love that once gilled a space in our heart or loss of a dream that once filled a space in our mind. If those voids are left empty,"dark" it sucks. They need to be refilled ASAP, to not suck. Let renewal love and light inspiration from source flow in to fullfill it. 
Unfortunately, most people clamp it down to close it in and just end up further in the whole of lack, when the universe is so abundant in love and light.
Its about opening up new spaces in mind and heart for new potentials already existsing in light form, to fullfill them in experiential realized form.
I expalined how I used voids for manifesting more to realize and experience while maintianing what I already have going on.
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well, you know I must respect my father and his associate's way as well as yours and my own.
don't forget to respect your elders
me, I have a love/hate relationship with mine.
much the same way with my children
perhaps you and I can travel together sometime
but no funny stuff You know which way I swing 
by the way, have you read 'How to be Perfect in 3 days' yet?
its a really good book.
oh yeah, and I'm a Pisces
you have me confused with some other bitch if you think I'm a gemini
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Re: validating beliefs through action [Re: DoctorJ]
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oh yes, and the torus is a beautiful shape,
but there are many others
do you not appreciate variety?
"the spice extends life. The spice expands consciousness. The spice is vital to space travel. Traveling, without moving!"
what is a universe without disorder and chaos?
a pretty boring place if you ask me.
All those hydrogen and helium atoms, lined up in neat little rows and columns. seems like such a waste to me. Turning what could be a work of art into a spreadsheet.
Or erasing the mona lisa to have only a blank page.
but hey, to each his own, I suppose.
Though you are a great King,
even the lowliest anarchist could teach you a lesson
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