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 DrJ Shaman    Registered: 03/13/06 Posts: 413 Loc: Celtic Isles Last seen: 18 years, 9 months |
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Cool. Some strains take that long. Mostly sativas. Whats the strain, maybe i can help? They look good but they should be growing faster now they've recovered. Are you using enough light? 
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DrJ Shaman Registered: 03/13/06 Posts: 413 Loc: Celtic Isles Last seen: 18 years, 9 months |
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Have you got your nutrients yet? I highly recommend getting an A/B flowering nutrient and bloom stimulator, kicks ass out of other nutrients!!! Easily extra 30-50% bigger buds. And the organic bloom stim i use increases potency and improves taste. Will cost 2-3x more than plain bloom nutrient but well worth the investment. Seeing as you've got such a long flowering period to look forward too make sure you get enough nutrients.
Also.... Take cuttings before you start flowering the main crop. Then veg those cuttings(remember which cuttings came from which plants and bin the male ones) for month or so and add to main grow room, then you'll get another harvest only a month after the first. You can continue this pattern by takin cuttings from the flowering plants (not always successful) or by keeping a mother plant in a contant veg state and cutting from her. So it'll still be a long wait till first crop, but then it'll keep coming regularly after that!! --------------------
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coda Banjo Goiter  Registered: 03/20/01 Posts: 8,750 Last seen: 1 year, 8 months |
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Yah, i understand how to clone. My plants arent ready for that, and im already acquiring more clones, and will be starting new seeds in the near future. My space is gonna be pretty crowded (hopefully) in a month or two. The strain is (supposedly) alaskan thunderfuck. I know pure sativas can have an 8-9 week floweing period, but im pretty sure this is a cross between the two.
My plants are growing damn fast, i think some are slowing down just a bit because the current containers are getting to be too small. Im using adequate light but im have my HPS that im going to use fairly shortly, but if you take a look at the pics now compared to what they look like on 4/3, i think the difference is pretty noticable. Im using a fox farm soil. As ive stated before you dont need to add ANYTHING for at least a month. This soil is super rich, you can actually feel how nice it is. My plants are all dark green, and besides the previous damaged leaves, show no sign of deficiences or damage. All of them are a nice, healthy, dark green. -------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)  
Don't fuck with the laughing jesus. Edited by coda (04/10/06 11:10 AM)
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coda Banjo Goiter Registered: 03/20/01 Posts: 8,750 Last seen: 1 year, 8 months |
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just for comparison.
3/2  4/9 
-------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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DrJ Shaman Registered: 03/13/06 Posts: 413 Loc: Celtic Isles Last seen: 18 years, 9 months |
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Cool. Plants look good now. They should be about 1/3 bigger but considering the problems they've had that may take another 2 weeks. You'll all most certainly need that HPS in a weeks time max 2 weeks. They look to be about 8" in that 4/9 photo? Dont leave it till they're more than 14-16" or you'll have height problem. This depends on the strain, but as your plant has a long flower pereiod you can expect about another 200-300% growth from the time you change light periods.
You can reduce their height by clipping the tops. This will make them more bushy. You should do this at least a week if not 2 weeks before flowering, to give the plant time to recover. Also once the plant has reached 2'+ then you should cut off the bottom 1-3 pairs of branches. I did this when my plants were about 3' tall and 4 weeks into flower as i had bad horizontal crowding issues. Now, a week later, The plants look very happy and buds have more than doubled in size. Much more light is reaching the lower leaves, and air circulation greatly impoved at lower levels (will post pics soon). Also i got about an oz of dried from the work!! Still smoking it right now!!! Imature weed give a nice buzzy high. Plus, even during flowering these trimmings will make good cuttings. They take awhile to revegitate, but if you look after them well they'll be ready in time for the next crop. How tall are they now please? --------------------
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DrJ Shaman Registered: 03/13/06 Posts: 413 Loc: Celtic Isles Last seen: 18 years, 9 months |
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Some plants can take 10-14 weeks to flower!!!!! But if your's is a cross then shouldn't take more than 10. You can get a ripening feed that quickens the ripening, but reduces yeild. Also changing light period to 8-10 hour/day will make them ripen faster. This also reduces yeild. I have heard of Alskan Thunderfuck. Just checking it out for you now.....brb BTW...Do you know how to tell when the plants are properly ripe? If not i can post you a good guide to it. --------------------
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DrJ Shaman Registered: 03/13/06 Posts: 413 Loc: Celtic Isles Last seen: 18 years, 9 months |
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Here you go man. You couldn't find it as its mostly called Matanuska Tundra by most shops.
Your in luck as your plants should flower for about 50 days only!! Thats almost as fast as it gets!! Heres some pics for you:-   One pic is a blue berry cross just in case yours is too. They're easy to tell by the blue/purple colour at late flowering stage. --------------------
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coda Banjo Goiter Registered: 03/20/01 Posts: 8,750 Last seen: 1 year, 8 months |
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Yah thats what i found, but i dont think thats what i have. These seeds came from a local breeder, and i know he didnt start with sagmartha seeds.
I know how to check maturity using a 5 power scope to look at the trichromes. I think im going to bite the bullet and buy that prebuilt closet for my babies. I like its ease of use and portability, i also like the fact that i dont have to be carting in 2x4's and sheets of plywood into my apt. It sets up and breaks down in 10 min so if i had a problem i could hide my grow fairly quickly. Plants are about a foot in height right now, im going to be ordering that grow room today or tommorow, and it should get here by the end of the week if im lucky. Ill be transplanting my babies into three gallon pots most likely tonight so that when the room arrives they'll already have recovered from the shock. So i should start the flowering before i see preflowers? -------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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DrJ Shaman Registered: 03/13/06 Posts: 413 Loc: Celtic Isles Last seen: 18 years, 9 months |
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Cool man. Put them straight to flowering as soon as you get you grow kit. They're not vey tall plants so you could gat away with flowering at 16-18" if you have to.
Sometimes i see small preflowers before flowering, but usually not. Preflowers are visible 4-12 days after start of 12/12 light cycle. Get your nutrients in ASAP. This will also encourage them to flower. Can't wait to see the pics in a month or so. Got a feeling you'll do just fine. You obviously care about them, and that and a little knowledge will go along way. Good to hear your getting pro equipment. Once you've got to grips with it, you can use your portable grow room for vegging and build your own flowering room. You dont need a microsope to check the maturity. A magnifying glass might help a bit. The main thing to watch for is when the little white hair turn from white to orange/yellow/brown. 70-80% orange to white is optimum. Do this bud by bud. Some of the upper buds will mature before the lower ones. So judge each one and leave them if they're not ready. You'll get a bigger harvest this way. General rule: harvest top half first, bottom half 1-2weeks later. All the best. Dr J --------------------
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coda Banjo Goiter Registered: 03/20/01 Posts: 8,750 Last seen: 1 year, 8 months |
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Small Update:
Bad news: The runt of the litter was on an unstable platform (well i thought it was stable) and i opened the closet tonight to see half the plant smeared across the wall. The remainder of the plant was in tatters amidst a pile of soil. Ah well, live and learn, lucky it was the small guy  Good news: Grow room ordered last week, will be here on tues. Plants will be placed into grow room on tues and 12/12 will be started on wed at around 10 am or so (im hoping that starting the light later in the day will allow me some leeway if i cant tend to the plants until the night). The rest of the plants are looking fantastic, i think the pots i transplanted into were actually 2 gallons (doh) so im probably going to have transplant one more time and be done with it. I cant wait to get the grow room and start to flower these babies. My friend who took the seedlings from me has moved into 12/12 already as well, he'll be seeing buds before i will but apparently his plants are looking damn good I also started some of those bag seeds i found in some peat pellets. They came reccomended for germination so im testing them out to see if they live up to the reviews.Ill be updating on tues or wed with pics of my new setup, i feel like a little kid at xmas. 
-------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
Don't fuck with the laughing jesus. Edited by coda (04/17/06 12:20 AM)
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coda Banjo Goiter Registered: 03/20/01 Posts: 8,750 Last seen: 1 year, 8 months |
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Here's some pics of the new grow room i assembled.
    The room is 4x6x7 feet. It's fucking huge!! It was a huge pain in the ass to setup, the frame was easy going but the canvas tent which fits around it weighed 800 lbs and was awkward and bulky. I managed to break the damn thing while setting it up, one of the zippers popped off and is leaving the top right half of the tent unzipped. This ruins the perfect, light tight, enviornment it's supposed to give you. Needless to say i was pretty upset about that, especially since i was following the vauge and poorly designed instructions that came with it. In retrospect i should have gone with the 4x4x7 room that they offer. It would have fit better in my space and definitely would have been easier to assemble. But, at least i have the availability of a large space now, i can fit a shit ton of plants within this thing, and everything is designed to keep the room cool and filled with fresh air. It's been sitting at 78 degree's for the last hour or so, i just attached the fan and need to get another 6 to 8 inch duct adapter to run the exhaust out of the top of the hut. Right now the fan is setup to blow the air out of the hole and its working ok, but it needs to be fixed. I wrote the hydrohut people an email and havent gotten a response. My hydro shop guys were pretty upset that it broke on me so quickly, they told me they'll contact the company about possible repairs. They also were nice enough to throw me 25 dollars worth of ducting and fan adapters for free for my trouble. My hydro guys are the shit, we even have plans to play some golf in the near future, it was a light shining from the heavens when we found their shop. So there you have it, i finally got my babies in a "professional" grow room under the 460 watt HPS i have. I purchased a timer but have to bring it back as it wont accept grounded plugs, i wont be able to put them into 12/12 until i get the tent as light tight as possible and finish up the exhaust system, im also planning on buying a small inline fan to bring fresh air in through the bottom intake port which is built into this puppy. That should provide me with fresh cool air and make my plants happy as they can be. Next on my list is to start cloning and pruning, it looks like a lot of light is being blocked from the lower half so i should take care of that. Any suggestions or links to solid guides on this? I dont want to go hacking away and kill my plants.
-------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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coda Banjo Goiter Registered: 03/20/01 Posts: 8,750 Last seen: 1 year, 8 months |
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oh btw if anyone is interested in where/how i purchased my hut send me a PM and ill link you to them. I think posting a link to a grow room site would contradict our "no linking to nonsponsors" since sunlight sheds also sells greenhouses.
the huts are a bit on the expensive side, but IMO once setup are totally worth the hassle and expense. If you run hydro there's two floors in the hut which allows you to keep it water tight as well. Plus the fact that you can keep all wiring run through the ceiling means no more electical hazards/fires. The only problem i see is hanging the ballast, they picture a hut with a ballast being hung from the center pole, but i just dont trust the pole to hold the weight and not bend over time. Looks like ill be seeing some buds here in a few weeks. Woop! -------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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 Psychoslut The Mother Fucking Bear-o-dactyl Registered: 12/10/02 Posts: 20,982 Loc: all up in ya |
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What is the purpose of the grow room?
I know nothing about growing weed so why is this necessary? Why not just put a light over them in a ventilated room  .
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[quote]KristiMidocean said: Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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coda Banjo Goiter Registered: 03/20/01 Posts: 8,750 Last seen: 1 year, 8 months |
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because i live in an apt and i cant modify any room to allow for ventilation. I dont have a basement nor an attic so i also have no where to vent the air to. This setup (before i broke it) was also light tight which is needed during the flowering stage of the plants life. Not only that but it makes life easier on me and allows me to setup a grow room in almost any place that i live in.
-------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.
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Corporal Kielbasa  Registered: 05/29/04 Posts: 17,235 |
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What happens when a land lord comes over to take cair of his apartment?
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Psychoslut The Mother Fucking Bear-o-dactyl Registered: 12/10/02 Posts: 20,982 Loc: all up in ya |
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That clears it up.
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[quote]KristiMidocean said: Good now thats clear.WHO FUCKING CARES. If I am fat u all keep pointing it out like its suppose to be a secret.LIke u really have nothing better to do then make fat jokes. If o know its like I do I know yall can come up with NEW AND BETTER SHIT . This shit is old and boring . I left in the first place cause this shit got boring not because of the fat jokes . Fat jokes dont bother me but seriously its old[/quote]
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DrJ Shaman Registered: 03/13/06 Posts: 413 Loc: Celtic Isles Last seen: 18 years, 9 months |
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Auto-SummaryThe art of cloning and breeding marijuana plants offers a way to preserve and propagate your favorite strains, ensuring a consistent and potent harvest. Cloning involves taking cuttings from a mature plant and rooting them to create an exact genetic replica. This process can be done using hydroponic mediums, rockwool, or other materials, and can be accelerated with liquid rooting solutions and high humidity. By cloning, you can create an "ocean" of identical plants, preserving the characteristics of your favorite strain and passing it down to future generations. However, cloning also comes with risks, such as the potential for fungus or pests to wipe out the entire crop. To mitigate this, it's essential to select healthy, disease-resistant plants and maintain optimal growing conditions. Breeding, on the other hand, involves crossing two different strains to create a new, unique variety. This process can result in "hybrid vigor," leading to more potent and resilient plants. By understanding the basics of cloning and breeding, growers can take control of their crop and produce high-quality, consistent results. Cool man. Things sound ok. Here's some info for cloning and prunning:- Cloning is asexual reproduction. Cuttings are taken from a mother plant in vegatative growth, and rooted in hydroponic medium to be grown as a separate plant. The offspring will be plants that are identical to the parent plant. Cloning preserves the character of your favorite plant. Cloning can make an ocean of green out of a single plant, so it is a powerful tool for growing large crops, and will fill a closet quickly with your favorite genetics. When you find the plant you want to be your "buddy" for the rest of your life, you can keep that plant genetic character alive for decades and pass it on to your childrens children. Propagate and share it with others, to keep a copy, should your own line die out. A clone can be taken from a clone at least 20 times, and probably more, so don not worry about myths of reduced vigor. Many reports indicate it is not a problem. Cloning will open you to the risk of a fungus or pests wiping out the whole crop, so it is important to pick plants that exhibit great resistance to fungus and pests. Pick the plant you feel will be the most reliable to reproduce in large scale, based on health, growth rate, resistance to pests, and potency. The quality of the high, and the type of buzz you get will be a very important determining factor. Take cuttings for clones before you move plants from vegetative grow area to the flowering area. Low branches are cut to increase air circulation under the green canopy. Rooted clones are moved to the vegetative growth area, and new clones are started in the cloning area using the low branch cuttings. Each cycle of growth will take from 4-8 weeks, so you can constantly be growing in 3 stages, and harvesting every 6-8 weeks. Some types of plants are more difficult to clone than others. Big Bud is reported to not clone very well. One of my favorite plants, Mr. Kona, is the most amazing pot I ever smoked, but it is hard as hell to clone. What a challenge! I noticed other varieties that were rooting much quicker, but it was the stone I was after! Once you find the psychoactive, almost hallucinogenic properties of some Indica/Sativa hybrids, you never want to smoke a pure Indica again. Indica is however, great medicinally, so I like to grow a few pure strains too. If a plant is harvested, you can sample it, and decide if you want to clone it. Pick your favorite 2 or 3 distinctly different types of plants to clone, based on trying the harvested plants. The plants you want to clone can be regenerated by putting them in constant light. In a few weeks, you will have many vegetative cuttings available for cloning and preserving your favorite plants. Always keep a mother plant in vegatative mode for any strain you want to keep alive. If you flower all your clones, you may end up killing off a strain if you don not have any plant devoted to being a mother. I killed off a sacred strain accidentally this way; my harvested plants failed to regenerate and the strain would have died completely had not previously igven it to friends to grow it as well. I was in luck, and a buddy set me up with another clone of this strain to grow as a mother plant for a new crop of clones. After two months, any marijuana plant can be cloned. Flowering plants can be cloned, but the procedure may take considerably longer. Its best to wait, and regenerate vegetatively plants that have been harvested. A single regenerated/harvested plant can generate hundreds of cuttings. Before taking cuttings, starve the plant for nitrogen for a week at least, so that the plant is not extreamly green, as this will make rooting take longer. Take cuttings from the bottom 1/3 of the plant, when doing ordinary pruning. Cut young growth tips from a vegetative stage, mature plant 3-5 inches long with a stem diameter 1/5-1/10 inch. Cut with a sterile razor blade or X-acto knife (flamed) and immerse the cut end of the clone into a tub of distilled water mixed with 1/4 tspn Peters 5-50-17 per gallon. Next, cut the bottom .2 inch off the end while it is submerged, using a diagonal cut. Remove the clone from the tub and dip into a liquid cloning solution following instructions on the label. Dust with RootToneF and place in cloning tray or medium. Flowering plants can be cloned too, but may take longer, and may not have as high a success rate. Cloning goes quickest with the liquid rooting solutions, in a warmed, aerated tray, with subdued lighting and high humidity. Placing cuttings into 1" rockwool cubes in a covered tray works great too. In a closet, you can make space above the grow area so that the heat of the lamp warms the tray (passive collecting) and spare the expense and hassle of the aquarium heater ($24) or agricultural heating pad w/ thermostat (pricey). A double 4" fluorescent lamp will be perfect. Leave lamps on for 24 hours a day. Cuttings should root in 2-3 weeks. I found only one liquid rooting hormone solution that was not over $10. (Olivia Gel was $12 for a 1.6 ounce bottle. Geez, what is this stuff, gold?) I found some dipNgrow for $9, considered myself lucky, and got a tray and clear cover for $7. A clear tray cover or greenhouse encloser is needed to bring up humidity to 90% (greenhouse levels). Liquid rooting hormone seems to be much more effective than powders. Some types available are Olivia, Woods, and dipNgrow. Mix a weak cloning solution of high P plant food (such as Peter 5-50-17), trace elements, and epsom salts and then dip plants in rooting solution per instructions on label. All of the above nutrients should be added in extremely small amounts, 25% of what would normally be used on growing plants. Or use a premade solution such as Olivia Rooting Solution. Corn syrup has been reported to supplement the sugars needed by the plant during cloning, since it consists of plant sugars. Use a powder fungicide too, like RoottoneF to be sure you don not spoil the clones with fungus. This is important, since clones and fungus like the conditions you will be creating for good rooting: mild light, 72-80 degrees, high humidity In rockwool, there is no need for airating the solution, just keep the cubes in 1/4" of solution so they wick and stay moist at all times. Try to keep clones evenly spaced, and spray them with water once a day to keep them moist and fresh. Pull out clones if they are diseased and dying, to keep them away from healthy starts. Another method is to float cutings in a tray full of solution on polystyrene disposable plates, or styrene sheets (shipping/packing material) with holes punched, so the tops and leaves are out of the water. Take off all large leaves, leaving only smaller top leaves to reduce demand on the new rooting stalk. Aerate the tray solution with an air pump and bubble stone. Keep solution at 72-80 degrees for best results. Change the solution daily if not using an air stone and pump, so that oxygen is always available to the cuttings. A week later, clip yellowing leaves from cuttings to reduce water demands as the cuttings start to root. Buy a tray with a clear cover made for rooting at an indoor gardening supply house. You must keep humidity very high for the clones. Put cuttings in an ice chest with cellophane over the top and a light shining down if you don not want to pay for the grow tray and cover. It is also possible to directly place a dipped cutting in a moist block of floral foam with holes punched, or vermiculite in a cup; be sure to root cuttings in a constantly moist medium. Jiffy peat cubes are not recommended, as published reports indicate results were not good for rooting clones. Place starter cubes in tray of solution. Check twice a day to be sure cubes are moist, not drenched, and not dry. After about 2-3 weeks, rootlets will appear at the bottom of the pods. Transplant at this point to growing area, taking care not to disturb any exposed roots. One grower writes us: I have had virtually all attempted clones root with the following scheme: 0. Prep cutting by removing large leaves on tip to be cut, allow to heal. 1. While holding underwater, take final diagonal cut on stem to be rooted. 2. Dip in Rootone, then spear stem about 2" deep in 16 oz. cups of 1/2 vermiculite, 1/2 perlite, which are kept in a stryrofoam cooler. 3. Spray cuttings with a VERY mild complete fert. soln. 4. Cover top of cooler with Saran Wrap, then punch holes for ventilation. 5. Keep cooler in relatively mild temps, low light, and spray cuttings daily. 6. Cuttings should root in about 3 weeks. Cloning is not as easy as starting from seed. With seeds, you can have 18" tall plants in 6 weeks or less. With clones, it may take 6 weeks for the plant to sprout roots and new growth. Seeds are easily twice as fast if you have empty indoor space being wasted that needs to be put to use quickly. Always breed a few buds for seeds, even if you expect to be cloning most of the time, you could get wiped out, and have nothing but your seeds left to start over. Cloning in rockwool seems to work great, and no airpump is needed. I paid $9 for 98 rockwool starter cubes. A plastic tray is available ($.95) that holds 77 cubes in pockets allowing the cubes to be held in a tray of nutrient solution. They are easily removed and placed in a larger rockwool growing cube when rooted. BREEDING It is possible to breed and select cuttings from plants that grow, flower, and mature faster. Some plants will naturally be better than others in this regard, and it is easy to select not only the most potent plants to clone or breed, but the fastest growing/flowering plants as well. Find your fastest growth plant, and breed it with your "best high" male for fast flowering, potent strains. Clone your fastest, best high plant for the quickest monocrop garden possible. Over time, it will save you a lot of waiting around for your plants to mature. When a male is starting to flower (2-4 weeks before the females) it should be removed from the females so it does not pollinate them. It is taken to a separate area. Any place that gets just a few hours of light per day will be adequate, including close to a window in a separate room in the house. Put newspaper or glass under it to catch the pollen as the flowers drop it. Keep a male alive indefinitely by bending the top severely and putting it in mild shock that delays it is maturity. Or take the tops as they mature and put the branches in water, over a piece of plate glass. Shake the branches every morning to release pollen onto the glass and then scrap it with a razor blade to collect it. A male pruned in this fashion stays alive indefinately and will continue to produce flowers if it gets suitable dark periods. This is much better than putting pollen in the freezer! Fresh pollen is always best. Save pollen in an air tight bag in the freezer. It will be good for about a month. It may be several more weeks before the females are ready to pollinate. Put a paper towel in the bag with it to act as a desecant. A plant is ready to pollinate 2 weeks after the clusters of female flowers first appear. If you pollinate too early, it may not work. Wait until the female flowers are well established, but still all while hairs are showing. Turn off all fans. Use a paper bag to pollinate a branch of a female plant. Use different pollen from two males on separate branches. Wrap the bag around the branch and seal it at the opening to the branch. Shake the branch vigorously. Wet the paper bag after a few minutes with a sprayer and then carefully remove it. Large plastic zip-lock bags also. Slip the bag over the male branch and shake the pollen loose. Carefully remove the bad and zip it up. It should be very dusty with pollen. To pollinate, place it over a single branch of the female, zipping it up sideways around the stem so no pollen leaks out. Shake the bag and the stem at the same time. Allow to settle for an hour or two and shake it again. Remove it a few hours later. Your branch is now well pollinated and should show signs of visible seed production in 2 weeks, with ripe seeds splitting the calyxes by 3-6 weeks. One pollinated branch can create hundreds of seeds, so it should not be necessary to pollinate more than one or two branches in many cases. When crossing two different varieties, a third variety of plant will be created. If you know what characteristics your looking for in a new strain, you will need several plants to choose from in order to have the best chance of finding all the qualities desired. Sometimes, if the two plants bred had dominant genes for certain characteristics, it will be impossible to get the plant you want from one single cross. In this case, it is necessary to interbreed two plants from the same batch of resultant seeds from the initial cross. In this fashion, recesive genes will become available, and the plant character you desire may only be possible in this manner. Usually, it is desirable only to cross two strains that are very different. In this manner, one usually arrives at what is refered to as "hybrid vigor". In other words, often the best strains are created by taking two very different strains and mating them. Less robust plants may be the result of interbreeding, since it opens up recesive gene traits that may lead to reduced potency. Hybrid offspring will all be very different from each other. Each plant grown from the same batch of seeds collected from the same plant, will be different. It is then necessary to try each plant separately and decide it is individual merits for yourself. If you find one that seems to be head and shoulders above the rest in terms of early flowering, high yield and get buzz, that is the plant to clone and continue breeding. In depth genetics is beyond the scope of this work. See Marijuana Botany; Smith, for more detailed info in this area. SINSEMILLIA When the female plant is not allowed to pollinate, it grows full of resin that was intended to make seeds. False seed pods swell with THC laden resin and the pistils turn red and orange and withdraw into the pods. Then the plant is harvested. Seeds are not part of the bud when the flowers mature. This is called Sinsemillia, and simply means "no seeds". SINSE SEEDS It is possible to cross your favorite two female plants to create a new strain of seeds that will produce all female plants. Preferably, these two plants will be different types of plants, not from the same mothers seeds. This will create the best offspring, since it will not lead to inbreeding. It is easier to gauge the quality of female plants than male plants, since the smoke is more potent and easier to judge it is finer qualities. Plants from seeds created in this fashion will be all female plants since there will be no chance of male chromosomes from female parents. Use Gibberellic Acid on one branch of a female plant to induce male flowers. Gibberellic Acid is sold by nursery supply houses for plant breeding and hybridizing. Spray the plant once every day for 10 days with 100 ppm gibberellic acid. When the male flowers form, pollinate the flowers of your other target female plant you have selected. Just pollinate one branch unless you want lots of seeds! Once the branch has male flowers, cut the branch and root it in water, with glass under it to catch the male pollen when it drops. Use a rooting solution similar to the above cloning solution.Collect the pollen with a plastic bag over the branch and shake it. Use a razor blade to scrap up fallen pollen and add it to the bag too. It is also possible to pollinate the flowers of the plant you create the male flowers on, crossing it with itself. This is used to preserve a special plants characteristics. Cloning will also preserve the plants characteristics, but will not allow you to store seeds for use later. Crossing a plant with itself can lead to inbreeding problems, so it may not be the optimum solution in many cases. I once tried using Gibberellic Acid, sprayed on a healthy female, every day for over a week. No male flowers appeared on the plant. Your milage may vary. DrJ- One more thing; i really can't stress enough the importance of and oscilating desk fan in your grow space. It'll make you plants stronger. Or the branches will breaqk under the weight of the bud. It's just happend to me as i only have 1 fan in my room but should have two. Some of the plants furthest from the fan are bending over from the weight of the bud, only a week till they are all harvested though so i reckon they'll be ok. Nice setup though. Once its sorted. --------------------
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DrJ Shaman Registered: 03/13/06 Posts: 413 Loc: Celtic Isles Last seen: 18 years, 9 months |
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You could do a number of different home built systems but, for the first time shop brought is best. --------------------
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coda Banjo Goiter Registered: 03/20/01 Posts: 8,750 Last seen: 1 year, 8 months |
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What if i cant starve my plants of N for a week? Im using a soil which has guano and castings premixed into it. I used it specifically to cut down on the number of times i needed to feed the plant.
Im also guessing i should be cutting the large fan leaves near the bottom? -------------------- To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . . -JG i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug* -A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)
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Psychoslut The Mother Fucking Bear-o-dactyl Registered: 12/10/02 Posts: 20,982 Loc: all up in ya |
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Im really excited about seeing this get going real good.
great thread. --------------------
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