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Re: Finally! [Re: shriek]
    #5411719 - 03/17/06 08:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This only appiles to indoor growing. Outdoor growing is cheaper but takes MUCH longer. Coco is re-usable, so much less time/effort. So I'm afraid i'll stick to my guns on this one. Plus a hydro system looks after itself for at least a week, so i can go and spend my hard earned cash in Amsterdam or Prague and not have to worry about them, of course you can use soil in a hydro system, but the possible problems i stated could build up whilst your away, and the plants could be dead when you get back.


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Re: Finally! [Re: coda]
    #5411741 - 03/17/06 08:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

These are some pic's of my old shop brought hydro system(coco and clay pepples) in a cuboard. (I have long since addapted this system for my new larger room)(those pics will be posted asap) -



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Re: Finally! [Re: Dreamer987]
    #5411795 - 03/17/06 08:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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hell yea.
This spring I'm going jonny Appleseed style with several hundred seeds gathered over the long cold winter months.
We'll see what kind of success rate i get in Autumn.



Dont forget to go round late august/september and weed out ALL the males!


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Re: Finally! [Re: shriek]
    #5411802 - 03/17/06 08:44 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I could do that later this year as i'm growing some outside too(same seeds). But obv they won't be ready till october. And outside depends on the weather. One thing you learn living in the UK is that you can never depend on the weather!!! lol


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Re: Finally! [Re: shriek]
    #5411807 - 03/17/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Yea, less harsh, quicker, more potent/sweeter and less probs with pestes than indoors. If your venting from outside, use silk or filter to keep out pests.




i would really like to see you prove your statesments here, esp with potency. ime soil gives higher yields and a tastier bud and potency can go both ways.

i think soil is a hella lot mor easy and there arent too many things that goes wrong using soil.




There is plenty of documented evidence proving these statements, dutch grower have been researching this shit for years.


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Re: Finally! [Re: DrJ]
    #5411814 - 03/17/06 08:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

All this said, perfect conditions and set-up outside CAN produce better weed, but thats too many variables for my liking, and as i said indoors you have total control. And its quicker.


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Re: Finally! [Re: DrJ]
    #5411839 - 03/17/06 08:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Not to mention other peoples sloppy grows or wild help could pollinate your ladies, and you don't want that.


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Re: Finally! [Re: Taskenti]
    #5411860 - 03/17/06 08:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Too true, pollen can travel miles!!!
And then you have all kinds of beasties just waiting to munch on your plants!
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Re: Finally! [Re: DrJ]
    #5411893 - 03/17/06 09:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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DrJ said:
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shriek said:
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DrJ said:
Yea, less harsh, quicker, more potent/sweeter and less probs with pestes than indoors. If your venting from outside, use silk or filter to keep out pests.




i would really like to see you prove your statesments here, esp with potency. ime soil gives higher yields and a tastier bud and potency can go both ways.

i think soil is a hella lot mor easy and there arent too many things that goes wrong using soil.




There is plenty of documented evidence proving these statements, dutch grower have been researching this shit for years.




please share. i know dutch breeders in person that will tell you the opposite


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Re: Finally! [Re: shriek]
    #5411908 - 03/17/06 09:09 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ok I'll go find it now! BRB


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Re: Finally! [Re: DrJ]
    #5411917 - 03/17/06 09:14 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

please do, i want to see scientific evidence that hydro gives a more potent smoke than grown in soil with a good explanation and not just opinons. this subject has been debated back and forth for years, most evidence are based on personal experience and what people preferr, you will find people who swears to hydro and some that swears to soil, its just really a matter what suits you best and how your setup is+-


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Re: Finally! [Re: DrJ]
    #5411944 - 03/17/06 09:18 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ok heres one:-
http://www.sidwell.edu/us/science/vlb5/Independent_Research_Projects/ccollier/

they conclude- From this project we concluded that hydroponics, though commercially efficient and time-saving, is not practical for the amateur. There are too many risky factors involved- most importantly, it is easy to have an unbalanced nutrient solution, which will stunt the growth of the plants. Our nutrient solution lacked enough of the important nutrients nitrogen and potassium, as we could tell by the appearance of our plants. The nitrogen deficiency caused the plants to have abnormally light-colored leaves and stunted growth. The fact that our hydroponics plants did not grow very much is explained here. The potassium deficiency caused our plants to have stunted growth and slightly withered leaves. Although the hydroponics clearly fared worse than the soil plants, the soil plants still were not productive in this experiment. This was probably caused by the fact that the fluorescent gro-light was not as close to the plants as to simulate sunlight, and therefore the plants did not grow as fast as we had hoped. However, the soil plants did grow steadily if slowly, and were more healthy than the hydroponics plants in the end.

Obiously both have benefits and if you live somewhere with good conditions then maybe outdoors is better for you. But if you have EC meter and pH kit then hydro should be easy. (also follow instructions on nutrient boxs) Also they don't use proper grow lights in this experiment so no wonder they're plants suffered. I'll try find someone who reports on a 'proper experiment'. This is just the first one i googled. I don't like to be argumentative but i was married to a dutch girl and lived there for 1.5 years and we grew over 100 plants using hydro and 8x 1000w hps lights for most of that time.


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Re: Finally! [Re: DrJ]
    #5411953 - 03/17/06 09:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

In fact I'm appalled by this experiment, these people obviously know nothing about hydro! lol
I'll find a better one!


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Re: Finally! [Re: DrJ]
    #5411969 - 03/17/06 09:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

coda - im sorry to mess up your thread like this,
drj, please contrinue in that thread you started. im not sure if coda has any intrest in growin hydro at all.


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Re: Finally! [Re: DrJ]
    #5411972 - 03/17/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Finally! [Re: shriek]
    #5411979 - 03/17/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yea, man so it seems. But if some-one has made up their mind... what can you do?!
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Re: Finally! [Re: shriek]
    #5411988 - 03/17/06 09:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Shriek - are you clear on that growroom set-up i posted? Or do you need to clarify or adapt it in some way?


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Re: Finally! [Re: DrJ]
    #5412186 - 03/17/06 10:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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From this project we concluded that hydroponics, though commercially efficient and time-saving, is not practical for the amateur. There are too many risky factors involved- most importantly, it is easy to have an unbalanced nutrient solution




and thats exactly why we went organic.


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Re: Finally! [Re: coda]
    #5412219 - 03/17/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

There are organic supplies for hydro systems too, and i would say that though soil is easy, it takes experience to get the same results as hydro. Here in UK we have alot of specialist hydro shops to help with equipment and advice. But all the info can be got from me (or if you prefer the net). Still, each to they're own.


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Re: Finally! [Re: coda]
    #5412845 - 03/17/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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So, saturate them enough to have water come out from the bottom?



Yea man. You should have about 10%-25% run-off with each watering. (water that comes out the bottom vs. water pt in the top)


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