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coda
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Re: Finally! [Re: DrJ]
#5409912 - 03/16/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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im not doing hydro.
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Re: Finally! [Re: coda]
#5409941 - 03/16/06 07:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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coda said: im not doing hydro.
You should consider hydro, it's a lot easier than soil.
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DrJ
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Not only is it easier it is cheaper, you can reuse your medium, you only need 1-1.5 gl pots. AND they grow quicker.
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Re: Finally! [Re: DrJ]
#5410129 - 03/16/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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? I,ve been told hydro makes pot less harsh to smoke than soil? Is that true.
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Re: Finally! [Re: KaptKid]
#5410258 - 03/16/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yea, less harsh, quicker, more potent/sweeter and less probs with pestes than indoors. If your venting from outside, use silk or filter to keep out pests.
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Re: Finally! [Re: DrJ]
#5410264 - 03/16/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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But thats all if you do it right. Timing/space/lighting/nutrients are all important.
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Edited by DrJ (03/16/06 09:15 PM)
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eligal
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Hanky said: it's a lot easier than soil.
huh. for some reason i always thought it would be harder... its so easy to throw some seeds in soil and watch it grow.
then again my soil plants were hella hard keep healthy... lol.
i take it its easier do to easy monitoring of ph and water?
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Re: Finally! [Re: eligal]
#5410869 - 03/17/06 12:08 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Exactly, it's much easier to control PH and you have total control of the nutes the plants get. Soil has just too many hard to control variables.
Plants in nature only grow in soil because they have to.
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Im having a hard enough time figuring out my grow room since my closet has to be scrapped. I really dont want to throw the cost, time and effort, and problems of hydro. I was always under the belief that soil grows were a lot easier to maintain then hydro is.
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hmm...
how expensive would a simple hydro system be? and how hard is it to set up?
i wont be growing for a while, but in a year or two ill be back at. im thinkin whether soil or hydro would be better.
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Re: Finally! [Re: eligal]
#5410978 - 03/17/06 12:48 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Coco/perlite in pots, nutes and a PH test kit, plus a watering can.
Couldn't be easier. See my thread for expected results.
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Re: Finally! [Re: DrJ]
#5411320 - 03/17/06 03:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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DrJ said: Yea, less harsh, quicker, more potent/sweeter and less probs with pestes than indoors. If your venting from outside, use silk or filter to keep out pests.
i would really like to see you prove your statesments here, esp with potency. ime soil gives higher yields and a tastier bud and potency can go both ways.
i think soil is a hella lot mor easy and there arent too many things that goes wrong using soil.
Edited by shriek (03/17/06 03:39 AM)
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Re: Finally! [Re: shriek]
#5411324 - 03/17/06 03:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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coda: yes buy larger pots, you will see drastic changes in a week or less i bet. also get some rocks, or leca rocjs for drainage instead of perlitte if possible. and make sure the light isnt too far from the plants so it stretches too much. you want to keep it as short as possible between nodes. i usually lower my hps lights using this method , i hold my hands 5 cm over the plant top and i have the light just close enough so i dont burn myself, if its impossible to hold your hand there because of burn raise the light until you can hold the hand ther for at least 30 seconds..
and watering, i usually sticks my finger in the soil and if it feels dry all the way i give it more water. what is REALLY important here is that there is good drainage so not the bottom of the pot the roots stands with wet feets.
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Re: Finally! [Re: shriek]
#5411360 - 03/17/06 04:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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shriek said:
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DrJ said: Yea, less harsh, quicker, more potent/sweeter and less probs with pestes than indoors. If your venting from outside, use silk or filter to keep out pests.
i would really like to see you prove your statesments here, esp with potency. ime soil gives higher yields and a tastier bud and potency can go both ways.
i think soil is a hella lot mor easy and there arent too many things that goes wrong using soil.
well actually i do remember OG having something about this on their main page. basically the hydro kicked butt in size and potency. i thought soil is easier too, but then again i never tried hydro, it jsut sounds so high tech... lol. but then again, my mom uses hydro for her house plants...
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Re: Finally! [Re: eligal]
#5411440 - 03/17/06 06:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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some will be pro hydro and say this and this and other are for soil organic growing . there is no reason why hydro will yield more trichomes and make a better potency. its actually seem more logic that hydro will yield less trichomes because of a shorter flowering time. but all in all it can go both ways depending on other factor ie strains, lights and photoperiods. in can grow 3 pots with cannabis, one in a 2 gallong pot, one in a 6 gallon pot and one in a 10 gallon pot, same strain, same everything else. the 10 gallon pot will yield me a hell of a lot more than the 2 gallon pot. everything depends on your setup in the end, but there is no truth in saying that hydro yields stronger buds. it can go both ways.
Edited by shriek (03/17/06 06:08 AM)
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Re: Finally! [Re: coda]
#5411466 - 03/17/06 06:32 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I poste this on my weed dr page but i think you should read it too. here you go :- Right dude, i followed the same path as you for my most recent grow, cu board to room, luckily i have it right now, so i shall share what i know. I assume that thats a single 600w air cooled light? If so the biggest space you'll need is about 3m2 less than 1m2 will cause you problems, but i guess you figured that one! What i have done is built a fake wall in my bedroom. My room was 2.6m x 5m I sliced off the far end of the room (upto the window). This area is 1m x 2.6m. And contains a double plug socket, v useful. The wall itself was built out of 2x2" stud timber. First build a frame going around the walls, floor and ceiling. Next you need to plan where you want the secret door. Mine is 6" in from the left side. The seams are concealed with wallpaper, so the door had to be a few mm smaller than the width of the wallpaper (53cm). So i put in two uprights 52.7cm apart. Then a horizontal between them about 1.5m up from floor. Now I use a hydroponic set up so i shall tell you how to do that too (easily worth it as plants can survive in this set up for upto 2 weeks with no maintain ace whatsoever. You need to start planning your hydro set up now as you may not be able to alter it after this point. First you need a reservoir, it needs to be a low as possible (you'll see why soon) but also hold at least 10 gallons of water. The reservoir goes on the far left of the room. Then you need a platform on which the plants can rest (must be strong enough to take your weight and the plants), i use an old door. This door needs to be made into a platform above the reservoir, but needs to be at an angle (at least 3cm/m) so that the water thats fed to the plants can run off down the door back into the reservoir over the lip of the door. (i shall get gf's digi cam next time, but for now just ask if any of this is unclear). right next you can Finish the wall. I used plaster board to cover the wall, so i put a horizontal beam at the same height as the width of the board (120cm) and then a few uprights for strength. Next build a frame that fits inside secret door space. make it strong using corner pieces attachments (T and L junction pieces are useful through out this whole building process). Then you need a hinge for the door. Get a 16mm wood hole borer and about 4-6" down from the top of the door drill holes through vertical beam of wall and door on both sides. This is so you can fix a 15mm copper pipe through this hole that acts like a hinge. (comprehende?) Next fix plaster board as neatly as possible to out side of wall and door. Plaster and smooth all gaps and edges. Now you have a secret room. ( You can doubly hide the entrance with cleverly constructed shelving unit or something) now inside, insulate and seal wall. Then paint white. Put a covering of pond rubber or other strong plastic on the door(platform) and a few inch's up the walls, make it flat as possible so no water collects and all drains smoothly into the reservoir. Under the reservoir have some venting hose contacted to a hole(You can hide this with a wall vent fitting) in the bottom middle of the wall, attached to a quiet extractor fan, sucking in cold air to the bottom of the room, cent hot air through extractor in the ceiling. Be as neat as possible at all stages. Build shelves to hold ballasts, fans etc. Then stretch a wire as tight as possible from across the top of the room between 2 hooks, you can hang your light from this. then u need a water pump (needs to be strong enough to reach the height you need, mine is a 1000ltr/hour one) and some 15mm plastic tube. The pump in the reservoir and the piping is attached to it and goes around the wall above the height of the plant pots. From this tube you can attach smaller tubes, as many as you have plants to feed them water. Attach drippers to these tubes. Then cover the walls with Mylar or dull-side-outward aluminium foil.
There you go, its a grow room!!!
Hope this helps will get pics for you soon. In the mean time ask if your not sure about something.
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Re: Finally! [Re: coda]
#5411600 - 03/17/06 07:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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If the plant is a good indica/ sativa cross the leaves will get thinner near the top of the plant as it grows. This kind of weed gibes a better 'high'.
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Re: Finally! [Re: shriek]
#5411612 - 03/17/06 07:41 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Not true, its much easier to over nutrient and/or over water in soil. Also you can get a nutrient salt build-up that will poison your plants in soil. Flush plants with water only at least once a week to avoid this. Test the pH of the run off water.
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Re: Finally! [Re: eligal]
#5411632 - 03/17/06 07:50 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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"how expensive would a simple hydro system be? and how hard is it to set up?"
Hydro is cheaper (my whole set up cost $500, but i reckon you could do it cheaper, depending on what materials you use) than soil in the long run,(each harvest is just under a kilo at the moment-takes 12 weeks, but starting a seperate vegative room in a closet will halve that time) and if you folllow the method i posted and read :- http://www.nirvana-shop.com/info_growing_guide.php Then you can't really go wrong. For any further construction, building (including bodge-job improvised supplies), growing info. message me.
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Re: Finally! [Re: DrJ]
#5411648 - 03/17/06 07:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i dont think so, not if you have some idea what you are doing
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