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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit
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"On the following day, when they came from Bethany, he (Jesus) was hungry. And seeing in the distance a fig tree in leaf, he went to see if he could find anything on it. When he came to it, he found nothing but leaves, for it was not the season for figs. And he said to it, 'May no one ever eat fruit from you again.'"

Mark 11:12


how can he be called a zen master by some when he denise that which is and gets angry at a tree for being a tree and following nature? seems more like a petulant child than an enlightened sage.


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i have less ego than you do!

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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: Temptress]
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So, by accepting something for what it is, it unables him to become angered by unfortunate events? And I don't remember much in the Bible that seems to point him out to being a "Zen master" at all... but then again I don't really read it, so I'm not much of an authority, huh?

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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: Temptress]
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met?a?phor
Pronunciation: 'me-t&-"for also -f&r
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle French or Latin; Middle French metaphore, from Latin metaphora, from Greek, from metapherein to transfer, from meta- + pherein to bear -- more at BEAR
1 : a figure of speech in which a word or phrase literally denoting one kind of object or idea is used in place of another to suggest a likeness or analogy between them (as in drowning in money); broadly : figurative language -- compare SIMILE
2 : an object, activity, or idea treated as a metaphor : SYMBOL 2


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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: Temptress]
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It is metaphorical for spiritual beings who do not bear spiritual fruit. I have read that from extrapolating from the rest of that Gospel story, the time of year could be deduced, and figs would not be sprouting anyway. Reading the Bible literally is a gross error. This is a cosmic version of 'use it or lose it,' with regard to manifesting our potentially generous (generating) spiritual nature in terms of the 'fruits of the spirit' (love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, meekness, humility and self-control).


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Unfortunately, not everyone looks at a painting and see's the human nature that was poured into its creation. Its too bad the bible was not literal and to the point. The atmosphere surrounding the air of Christianity is full of unwarranted stupidity. Its core has been corrupted by the masses... it has been sold out.

Not everyone is curious, and not everyone is full of passion. Most people are empty because of that; the interest in life was chiseled down to a dull edge due to societal conditioning. I sincerely believe, that this emptiness has been filled with pop-religious thinking. But, its only filler. Which is why, I think religion altogether must be abandoned. Take away the comfort blanket, and let people be naked and afraid. A little pain is necessary for growth.

Try explaining sight to a blind man without getting frustrated! There is simply no point. You can only hope that a spark of curiosity has been set.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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Quote:
It is metaphorical for spiritual beings who do not bear spiritual fruit.


that is one interpretation and not necessarily correct. however, if one is spiritually out of season (not yet ready) then they should be condemned forever?

To everything there is a season; and a time to every purpose under heaven.


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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: Temptress]
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Whatever its interpretation, it is clearly not meant to be taken literally.


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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: Temptress]
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The tree was not condemned Humanity was temptress. He forbid humans from eating of it not the tree from bearing fruit. Whats missing is probrobly where the people before had taken more than their fill and left none for anyone else. Thats how I always read it at least.


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"Religion without science is blind, Science without religion is lame." Albert Einstein

"peace is not maintained through force it is acheived through intelligence." Albert Einstein

"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson

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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: blaze2]
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jesus was a human being just like you and me. he wasn't born with christ consciousness he he had to work up to that stage. the story of the fig tree demonstrates that even jesus could could make a mistake.

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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: Deviate]
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The bible can be read in two totally different ways, as a literal history of Christ and as a symbolic and metaphorical teaching of how to live.
Most ignorant christians read it as literal and really only listen to the direct messages in some of the teachings in the gospels of Mathew Mark and Luke.(Synoptic)
If you really understand what you are reading and look into the mircales (a mis-translation from the greek meaning signs), you really learn what the Christian faith is suppose to be about.(Gospel of John). I wish people would understand the true teaching the bible can provide about human nature and spirituality.


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"People living deeply have no fear of death."
"Love the animals, love the plants, love everything. If you love everything, you will perceive the divine mystery in things. Once you perceive it, you will begin to comprehend it better every day. And you will come at last to love the whole world with an all-embracing love."
"Our problems are man-made, therefore they may be solved by man. No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings."

Edited by David_vs_Goliath (04/11/06 03:07 PM)

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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: David_vs_Goliath]
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I hope everyone who thinks of it as a metaphor also doesnt believe in Jesus as a savior. If everything in the bible is just symbolism, then it is just a work of abstracted philosophy and bears no more religious significance then something like The Republic. If some things in the bible arent meant to be taken literally, then I claim by induction that nothing in the bible is meant to be taken literally. Either it truly represents a religious doctrine and everything in it no matter how fantastic it is really happened, or its just meant to be a piece of philosophy. Whose to say jesus isnt a metaphor then, or that God doesnt represent some metaphor? Like people who claim that the flood was just symbolism to represent God's anger. Take one piece then discard the other.

The more into the future we get, the more people claim certain passages from the bible are just symbolism. Very interesting really.

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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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MarkostheGnostic said:
It is metaphorical for spiritual beings who do not bear spiritual fruit. I have read that from extrapolating from the rest of that Gospel story, the time of year could be deduced, and figs would not be sprouting anyway. Reading the Bible literally is a gross error.


It was intended as a metaphor, or is it simply those that interpret that consider it to be a metaphor? Metaphorical value can be derived from nearly anything, and it does not mean that the particular passage was intended to be metaphorical.

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: fireworks_god]
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oh jesus
this temptress is making things choppy.


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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: Temptress]
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-Except from John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible

This tree may not only be an emblem of the Jewish people, who made a great show of religion, and enjoyed a great many privileges; and from whom, speaking after the manner of men, the fruits of good works, righteousness, and holiness, might have been hoped and looked for; when instead thereof, there was nothing but talk about them, and an observance of some insignificant rites and traditions of the "elders"; on which account, utter ruin and destruction ensued; but also of any outward professor of religion, who enjoying the means of grace, and making great pretensions to devotion and piety, it might be expected that he should do good works, well pleasing to God, and bring forth fruit to the glory of his name: whereas he only talks of good works, but does none; at least, no fruits of grace and righteousness are to be found on him; and at the last day, he will be cast as dry wood, as a withered branch, into everlasting burnings, being fit fuel for them.


The Bible is full of types, pictures, parables. Spiritual truths are taught in literal reality, as the Bible is also 100% accurate.

Natural (unconverted) man does not understand spiritual truth at all, unless God the Holy Spirit opens these truths and converts the soul.

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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: fivepointer]
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i think the tree represents the fact that Jesus had a sexual encounter with the tree.

He commanded that people are not to eat from it ever again because he did not want his babies eaten.

Makes sense to me, and I'm hard to convince.

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
Peace. :mushroom2:


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:redpanda:
If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you
:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:

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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: Temptress]
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you assume he is angry. how do you know?

what else is in the scripture to led up to this moment, and what happened afterwards? 

as far as metaphors go, I'm a bit iffy on them since it's all up to interpretation.  since this is the case, anyone can find their own truths to the matter, and thus everyone is just talking shit (like me!!!)  :grin:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: Temptress]
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It is a generally accepted interpretation, at least on a metaphorical/allegorical level. It is unlikely that there is a mystical underpinning to it, but the literal is out of the question for the same reason that ALL literal interpretations are out of the question. Temporality and geography are often so off in Biblical writ when compared to extra-biblical sources that they cannot be interpreted as historically accurate. There is no extra-biblical evidence even for the historical existence of Jesus except for 3 brief references by Suetonius, Tacitus and the Jewish Roman historian Flavius Josephus. One would think that the Hellenistic Jewish philosopher Philo [of Alexandria], a contemporary of Jesus, would have heard something of His acclaim and have written about it. After all, it was Philo who did the most philosophically about the nature of the Logos.

Since we know next to nothing about a historical Jesus, it may well be that aside from some early sayings, every saying attributed to Jesus are 'insertions' so that a personality has been constructed, gleaned from Wisdom literature. Works for me though. The collective endeavor to build a Frankensteinian Jesus has worked very well to impart the composition of the paradigm for human development. Conforming to this 'construct' has transformed me in a high and holy manner, and so the fragments must themselves be 'shards of divinity.' As such, they also seem to have imparted 'discernment' to me in some measure - what fundamentalists like to call a 'gift of the Holy Spirit.' That would mean that my interpretation of scripture is consonant with the meaning that the writer wanted to impart.

Of course, I could be, as you suggest, just wrong. One of the hallmarks of mythic language is this absolutist tendency that you do not seem to like, but that is because you are taking the story literally. Mythic time is 'Parmenidian time' which is to say 'timeless.' Proclamations that sound like ultimatums do so because they are literary devices for the reader to give pause and contemplate eternity while reading/hearing. Eckhart Tolle masters this technique in modernity in several places in The Power of Now.


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
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could not a man walking through the desert for days ACTUALLY be hungry and then be angry when his needs were not fulfilled?


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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: fireworks_god]
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fireworks_god said:
It was intended as a metaphor, or is it simply those that interpret that consider it to be a metaphor? Metaphorical value can be derived from nearly anything, and it does not mean that the particular passage was intended to be metaphorical.


In this particular context, it would not make sense if interpreted literally.


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Re: jesus denies current reality and throws a hissy fit [Re: Temptress]
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Temptress said:
could not a man walking through the desert for days ACTUALLY be hungry and then be angry when his needs were not fulfilled?


Maybe, but why would someone bother putting it in the gospels if it didnt have some deeper spiritual meaning?


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