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InvisibleSwami
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Current Reality
    #2109642 - 11/15/03 07:24 PM (13 years, 22 days ago)

"Current Reality" is an easy concept to grasp, but a hard one to put into practice.

Some examples of NOT living in current reality (not great examples, but will do for now):

False image: A woman in middle age and heavyset, who still wears halter tops and mini-skirts. (She does not see what the mirror reflects, but herself as a young, sexy woman.)

The male couch potato who used to play high school football and gets severly injured on a weekend pickup game after having been inactive for 10 years. (Thinks he is still a jock.)

Regrets the road not taken: "I should have married Janie instead of Ashley."

Blindness: "I am OK to drive." (After four martinis.)

ALL OF US (the Swam included) are guilty of shoulds and what-ifs. The danger of not living in current reality is that it is impossible to make clear, logical decisions if you pretend that things are other than what they are.

Read through some of the posts on this forum and you will see many, many examples of people stating how "things should be". One can only make corrections and adjustments from where ONE IS NOW, not where one would like to be.

This constant awareness is as much a spiritual practice as zazen or martial arts.


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Re: Current Reality [Re: Swami]
    #2109660 - 11/15/03 07:35 PM (13 years, 22 days ago)

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False image: A woman in middle age and heavyset, who still wears halter tops and mini-skirts. (She does not see what the mirror reflects, but herself as a young, sexy woman.)





I see this type on ricki lake all the time. :lol: (Not that I watch that show, of course)

Some consider this healthy self esteem. Your next example shows how this can get us in trouble.vvv

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The male couch potato who used to play high school football and gets severly injured on a weekend pickup game after having been inactive for 10 years. (Thinks he is still a jock.)




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Regrets the road not taken: "I should have married Janie instead of Ashley."





Guilty of this one.

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Blindness: "I am OK to drive." (After four martinis.)





This one as well.

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The danger of not living in current reality is that it is impossible to make clear, logical decisions if you pretend that things are other than what they are.




Do you think that all dilusions are harmful? Can they ever be beneficial?


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Read through some of the posts on this forum and you will ses many, many examples of people stating how "things should be". One can only make corrections and adjustments from where ONE IS NOW, not where one would like to be.




Idealism?

Are you suggesting that we should never be idealistic?

 


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I see what everyone is saying. It is so hard to form an opinion when you see both sides so clearly!


Edited by sirreal (11/15/03 07:42 PM)


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Re: Current Reality [Re: Swami]
    #2109679 - 11/15/03 07:44 PM (13 years, 22 days ago)

"Here and Now", Have you ever read Aldous Huxely's Island. It centers on that idea, as its main point im my opinion. Its very important I will agree with you... usually im so entranced by what is going on around me i dont think about anything else. Its only when i sit down and begin to think about things that i start to think "what if this, what if that". Truthfully when i really appreciate the here and now i feel the best...

What interest's me is why do i start thinking about all these things? I dont lie to myself, i am always what i am, although i cant really see that i am anything, i always try to see things differently. I cant ever grasp a sense of a solid state... nothing i could really refer back to. It seems as though im always changing. 

My friend yesterday said to me... " dont you wish you were 16 again, when you didnt have to worry about anything or do anything really important"

I replied: No. There is nothing that made me wish that i would go back and re live what ive already been through, im obviously here for a reason, I cant lie to myself and think that things could have been different, things are what they are, and thats that casual acceptance of the change and uncertainty ive come to accept. and as of late, ive come to embrace. When i can be aware, and im not stuck in my subconcious, i feel like i can take things in a logical way, but if i start to feel bad, that whole staying aware thing kind of goes to shit. I dont know if that has to do with what you are saying, but i think its the best interpretation i can come up with.

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Re: Current Reality [Re: sirreal]
    #2109687 - 11/15/03 07:46 PM (13 years, 22 days ago)

Are you suggesting that we should never be idealistic?

Editor's note: I like the way the poster asked for clarification rather than making an assumption about my view. Many posters would do well to follow this example.

Not at all. Idealism is fine if you recognize the ideal state as a goal (and not a whine about "the way things should be"). From there one can check their current reality and come up with a plan to take steps towards the idealized state.



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Re: Current Reality [Re: Swami]
    #2109712 - 11/15/03 07:58 PM (13 years, 22 days ago)

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Idealism is fine if you recognize the ideal state as a goal (and not a whine about "the way things should be"). From there one can  check their current reality and come up with a plan to take steps towards the idealized state.




I figured that is what you would say. Just wanted to clarify. :thumbup: 


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Re: Current Reality [Re: Swami]
    #2117334 - 11/17/03 06:08 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

"One can only make corrections and adjustments from where ONE IS NOW, not where one would like to be."

Yes! Living in "THE NOW" is the way to go!

I recently started realizing that "RIGHT NOW" is often the best time to follow through with a hot idea


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Re: Current Reality [Re: Strumpling]
    #2117527 - 11/17/03 07:03 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

'Should' is a word that shouldnt be in my dictionary.


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Re: Current Reality [Re: Swami]
    #2118186 - 11/17/03 10:26 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

I wonder what causes us to act this way? is it sometimes fear of being honest with oneself? or is it blindness altogether? I think in order for us to put this into practice, we need to be honest with ourselves and look at when we are living the lie.

actually a journal for that wouldn't be too bad either. this way we can look back and see what we did because most of the time there are consequences for our actions, especially when we aren't honest with ourselves and others.

I made a post about the neutral flow, which in I admitted to the fact that I had posted before about how "grat life was" when in actuality, it was only great because I made that judgement. it really isn't what IS.

would you consider making judgements based on comparisons living in a false reality?


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Re: Current Reality [Re: kaiowas]
    #2118438 - 11/17/03 11:30 PM (13 years, 20 days ago)

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do.  So throw off the bowlines.  Sail away from the safe harbor.  Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

This is only semi-relevant, but its a great quote so here you go :tongue2:


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Re: Current Reality [Re: Noviseer]
    #2118806 - 11/18/03 02:47 AM (13 years, 20 days ago)

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

Cool quote, and one by which I live my life. Actually, I heard it phrased differently by someone else previous to hearing Twain's rendition:

When you are 90, will you think back with regret on your failure to ask that person to dance?


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Re: Current Reality [Re: Swami]
    #2118822 - 11/18/03 02:54 AM (13 years, 20 days ago)

So is this your way of saying
"Live in the present" otherwise commonly reffered to as:
"Be here now"?


If so, I couldn't agree more. Probably the best advice one can give oneself or another person.


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    #2118909 - 11/18/03 03:52 AM (13 years, 20 days ago)

Not exactly. "Being here now" is more the Zen of not having your thoughts running in the past or future.

"Current reality" is an acceptance of the way things are instead of the way you want them to be. It is the opposite of denial.

Here is another example:

In one prison over 80% of the inmates had AIDS. A social reformer suggested to the warden that condoms be distributed freely to prevent the spread of sexual diseases. The warden denied the request stating that "We do not condone sexual behaviour in the penal system." It ALREADY exists in current reality and the warden is too blind to see the obvious.

Does this clarify?


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Re: Current Reality [Re: Swami]
    #2118919 - 11/18/03 03:59 AM (13 years, 20 days ago)

Yes I think I see your point.

But through this acceptance of the way things are currently, can we not use that perception to strive for different goals. A motivation of sorts?


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Re: Current Reality [Re: Swami]
    #2119002 - 11/18/03 04:50 AM (13 years, 20 days ago)

It's ok to grow and change with the times. It's ok to feel like you are moving on, be it aesthetically, your image of who you are and are going to be. It's ok to "be here now".

But I will never leave anything behind. An individual's past is vital to understanding who they are. All history is vital.


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Re: Current Reality [Re: kaiowas]
    #2119032 - 11/18/03 05:22 AM (13 years, 19 days ago)

" there are consequences for our actions, especially when we aren't honest..."-

There are also consequences to our actions when we ARE honest...and I suppose kindness dictates NOT being honest in some circumstances...unless there is an agreement between individuals.

However, kindness may preclude honest interaction publicly, so as not to disturb the dreams of others.

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Re: Current Reality [Re: castaway]
    #2119262 - 11/18/03 10:16 AM (13 years, 19 days ago)

I saw someone wearing a T shirt that said just three words "This Is It." That could be a good slogan for current reality, such as "This is it. this is how it is. appreciate it" something like that, reduced to simply "this is it."


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Re: Current Reality [Re: Shroomism]
    #2120884 - 11/18/03 09:12 PM (13 years, 19 days ago)

"can we not use that perception to strive for different goals. A motivation of sorts?"

Certainly, but that's not usually what people do if they're not living in "THE NOW" because if you're dwelling on the past or future you're thinking "things COULD/SHOULD/WOULD be like X but instead they're like Y. I want things to be like X because Y sucks..."

When one starts living in the now, on can think "ok so since things are Y and not X as I'd prefer, what do I need to do NOW to turn Y into X?"


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Re: Current Reality [Re: Strumpling]
    #2121548 - 11/19/03 02:17 AM (13 years, 19 days ago)

"But I will never leave anything behind. An individual's past is vital to understanding who they are. All history is vital."

Not true. History has a lot more to do with the future than the past. Get over it.


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Re: Current Reality [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2124252 - 11/20/03 03:01 AM (13 years, 18 days ago)

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Mixomatosis said:
"But I will never leave anything behind. An individual's past is vital to understanding who they are. All history is vital."

Not true. History has a lot more to do with the future than the past. Get over it.




Even though you were responding to the statement that an individual's past is important to understanding who they are, I disagree that history has more to do with the future than the past. I think history is relevant to both the past and the future: They are equal.

An individual's past goes back further than just that individual's life time. It goes back into past lives. What we did in past lives, what we have done so far in the present life, both have bearing on our futures.


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