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OfflineAdamist
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Your reality is false
    #1416466 - 03/29/03 04:36 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Every 'reality' remains relative to the instrument used in detecting or measuring it.
The instrument that determines each of our slightly unique reality tunnels is our nervous system in general and our brain in particular. These are easily altered and distorted.

What? Your Reality is unstable??
It's true. Eat some LSD.

Nothing can display an "objective" reality without also contradicting itself, as each individual reality tunnel has an opposite, equally valid one...
Does this not show that Chaos is the underlying determining factor of Creation? When Chaos becomes Order, we are creating temporary fallacies to make sense of nonsense, creating impermanent laws that we mistake as a permanent, objective Law. Our Reality is false because our perception of it is hopelessly trapped within it, and our Creator is truely the "Father of Lies".
It's not all rainbows and sunshine. There's also shit, worms, blood, and demonic entities who like to consume themselves.


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Re: Your reality is false [Re: Adamist]
    #1416495 - 03/29/03 05:14 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe there is one ultimate reality and our egos just distort it. We all live in our own worlds, and earth is where they co-exist.


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Re: Your reality is false [Re: Adamist]
    #1416586 - 03/29/03 08:31 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

"When Chaos becomes Order, we are creating temporary fallacies to make sense of nonsense, creating impermanent laws that we mistake as a permanent, objective Law. Our Reality is false because our perception of it is hopelessly trapped within it, and our Creator is truely the "Father of Lies"."

totally. but aren't we our own creator? aren't we really the father of lies? maybe we don't want to accept it, but we've created the lie and take comfort existing within it


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Re: Your reality is false [Re: rhizo]
    #1416612 - 03/29/03 09:42 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

is it time to read some gregory bateson???
or perhaps hofsteader's _godel, escher, and bach_ ???
or even some robert anton wilsen, hehheh...
(or even heinlein's twisted ramblings in "by his bootstraps" (hello, bob wilson :wink: ...) or his rather spooky "them" ...
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& remember the "cartesian fallacy": i think, therefor i am...
a critical rephrasing might yield the more descriptive: i am, therefor i think (well, on a good day, anyways :wink: ...)
ymmv...
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Re: Your reality is false [Re: Adamist]
    #1416839 - 03/29/03 02:31 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

mmmm thats good manifesta chaotica.


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Re: Your reality is false [Re: Adamist]
    #1417044 - 03/29/03 06:16 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

If I take a telescope and crack the lens, the stars do not suddenly change because I disturbed the sensing mechanism. Likewise; reality does not change simply because one partakes of a substance that disturbs neuronal functiong.


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Re: Your reality is false [Re: Swami]
    #1417106 - 03/29/03 07:00 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

after taking mushrooms, that reality, is as real as this world we live in. which one is the real one? just because we are spending our time in this one, and creating arguments that only benefit our currently reality, doesn't mean another one can't be equally valid.


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Re: Your reality is false [Re: ]
    #1417122 - 03/29/03 07:13 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

This reality seems to persist, whereas all others are fleeting and transient..


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Re: Your reality is false [Re: Swami]
    #1417214 - 03/29/03 08:35 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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If I take a telescope and crack the lens, the stars do not suddenly change because I disturbed the sensing mechanism. Likewise; reality does not change simply because one partakes of a substance that disturbs neuronal functiong.



But your perception of it changes, and that is all that matters to the mind.


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Re: Your reality is false [Re: Adamist]
    #1417218 - 03/29/03 08:39 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I am not denying that there IS an objective Reality.

I think you can get a taste of it through various means, all of which contain the union of opposites (such as sex, or the creation of music...)

But the ego can NOT experience Reality consistently and still stay sane and ordered. Someone who truely lives in Reality is someone who is in a state of perpetual chaos.

For I have seen the Truth,
and it makes
no
sense!


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Re: Your reality is false [Re: Revelation]
    #1417231 - 03/29/03 08:53 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

This reality seems to persist, whereas all others are fleeting and transient..



Dreams seem real until they end. Couldn'tcha say the same thing about life?  :grin: 


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Re: Your reality is false [Re: Adamist]
    #1417284 - 03/29/03 09:32 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

But the ego can NOT experience Reality consistently and still stay sane and ordered. Someone who truely lives in Reality is someone who is in a state of perpetual chaos.

For I have seen the Truth,
and it makes
no
sense!





When i ate over 100 fresh grams of mushrooms I got the impression that life was trying to accomplish something and we were a means to an end. I felt that I could never get the answers I had been looking for because life had to ignore certain truths about itself in order to accomplish it's goal of focusing itself. It seemed very chaotic and meaningless yet full of order and purpose at the same time. Does this make any sense?

I understand what you mean by seeing reality and living in perpetual chaos. I got a glimpse of that myself!


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I see what everyone is saying. It is so hard to form an opinion when you see both sides so clearly!


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Re: Your reality is false [Re: sirreal]
    #1417287 - 03/29/03 09:35 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

I can't edit my post so I had to make another one.

Through ego loss I was able to see what you were saying about perpetual chaos. The ego can't handle it. So true.

Every once in a while I find something I can identify with on this board. This is one of those things. :laugh:


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I see what everyone is saying. It is so hard to form an opinion when you see both sides so clearly!


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Re: Your reality is false [Re: Adamist]
    #1417305 - 03/29/03 09:52 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

what adamist says is IS is IS is :"TRUE:!:"; we all have our sensors for "reality" sometimes we try to fool ourselves into thinking there is one absolute truth that will save us from now, our scratching fiending ego, crawling out of the darkness, try to grab the light, but it is truely fooled. fooled indeed. it by itself can not understand the light for it can not accept the light, for it does not let the light pass through, for after all it is one and not part of all, through trying to say by the subjective means through your mouth about the objective universe. your mouth will be slapped, slapped by Everything.

just flow let it grow, stay in the know, dont be a vicitm of those who think they know, like i said let it flow, grow, stay in the know, or else you shall be led down low.

their is a machine that drives us, maybe we should see that our own sensors arent the greatest. we can all be great, their is no competition here.

now if you want to bite :grin: my mouth i will bite :grin: yours and we can slap eachother in the face, but you know how pointless it will be. if your going to stop you might as well drop, lest you know that what has been before was said  for you and for you alone.

"you touch me, ill touch you back" :ooo:

TOUCHE SOUFLE!!!!!!!!! for all those looking for a fault refer to the above. and again i shall say TOUCHE SOUFLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


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Re: Your reality is false [Re: Adamist]
    #1417421 - 03/29/03 11:20 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

"For I have seen the Truth,
and it makes
no
sense!"

Great line. I have experienced this before. I forgot about it, but now I remember... That really sums it up... great line.


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