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Grain to grain
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I did a grain to grain transfer, but my jars are a bit dry after cooling. Can I add water to rehydrate? Should I use distilled water or spring water or is there even a difference between these bottled waters?


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Re: Grain to grain [Re: Rickster]
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i wouldn't add any water. kinda defeats the purpose of pressure cooking.


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Re: Grain to grain [Re: thenewguy05]
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do rye berries usually appear dry once they are cooled? some are smashed so I know they aren't dry on the insides,it is the outsides look dry! should I just let them be? will the mycelium still take over?


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Edited by Rickster (03/28/06 12:07 PM)

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Re: Grain to grain [Re: Rickster]
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as long as they are hydrated on the inside that is what is important.
honestly you don't want water on the outside In my experience. that has only caused me problems in the past.

my grains end up looking shiny almost. i hydrate mine by boiling a pot of water, drop the grain into the boiling water, and instantly turn the heat down to low-med to keep the temp stable. let that ride for 30-40 and strain for 1 hour & no less.


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Re: Grain to grain [Re: Rickster]
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Rickster said:
some are smashed


They probably bursted due to excess water inside the jars. What happens is that the water inside the jars will cook the rye and they will burst. Every single one of my rye jars that had bursted rye at the bottom ended in contams. Currently, if i see even one bursted kernel, i toss it and try again.

The secret is load your rye in the jars(1 cup for a 1 quart jar) and let it soak in distilled water for at least 12 hours. Dont bother measuring the amount of water you put in the jars, just make sure all the rye is submerged and then a little extra. After 12 hours, flip your pasta strainer around and hold the bottom of it to the mouth of the jar, then rotate so it drains without letting the rye out of the jar. Let it drain for at least 15 minutes, the rye has aleady absorbed enought water, you do not want excess water in the jar as it will cook the rye.

Edited by rezin8r (03/28/06 02:03 PM)

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Re: Grain to grain [Re: rezin8r]
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^ I've been doing grains for a while and I still get wet spot contam due to excess moisture. For me even if I let my grains sit in my strainer for an hour when I load the jars with them they still get water logged when tipped. I had to go as far as drying the grains with a towel to get the correct moisture level.

Why am I the only person that has to do this?


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Re: Grain to grain [Re: nuk1m]
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Try using a little vermiculite in your grain mix. When the grain is in the strainer if the outsides look shiny and wet it probably is too wet. Sprinkle small amounts of vermiculite into the mix, stir well. If its still wet looking add more until it looks dry on the outside. I got pictures of some jars you can look at but wet and burst kernels mean way too much moisture and probably contams later.


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Re: Grain to grain [Re: nuk1m]
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nuk1m said:
Why am I the only person that has to do this?


I drain for 15 minutes, that seems to be sufficient for me. Every now and then i will see a couple of bursted grains at the bottom after PCing, and into the trash they go. I'd rather not waste my time and valuable incubator space. Busted rye = contam city.... DRAIN!!

PS. I turn my pasta strainer upside down and hold the bottom against the jar mouth, and then invert the entire thing and let the jar sit upside down on the strainer in the sink for 15-20 min.

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Re: Grain to grain [Re: rezin8r]
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My berries are smashed from shaking only 1 or 2 of them are smashed, I let them soak for 20 hours or so, then I strained them for a little while, then loaded them into quart jars, and PC'ed for 1 hour @ 15psi. I did not add any water, they were shiny when they went in. After they cooled they dried some too, this is why I originally posted this question is to see if the dry look was normal, I believe my jars are ok. I will not add any more water. thank you all for the input and advice!


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Re: Grain to grain [Re: Rickster]
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Never inoculate a jar with smashed grain. Those of us who have tried anyways have learned the hard way.

Your rye should look wet enough to show tiny droplets of water within the jar, but once drops start connecting to form small puddles of water against the glass, then your rye is too wet. So your rye should look semi dry i guess.


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