hyphae said:

I've also understood that certain beneficial microbes help fight off nonbeneficial bacteria and molds, now I can't pull any info out of my ass right now as this has been from what I've read over many years. The point is with cubies the beneficials are not helping in the mushrooms life cycle as much as it is keeping the substrate healthier for digestion. My .02

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SHEIKofSHIITAKE said:

throw the lid back on and there you go a ghetto autoclave

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gourmetgrower said:

Ahh... I dream of the day when I can afford a self-propelled compost turner.

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Self power a garden type pitch fork, if need be.
(good exercise, if you like that sort of thing)


For little rows, rototillers work fairly well.

But, hell.

Buy a ranch/farm.
With cattle, horses, chickens, hay Fields, winter rye, corn & vegetable crops, and all else involved, you would be in composting heaven.

MisterMyco said:

The people that wrote that document almost certainly aren't growing hallucinogenic mushrooms en masse.  Most "real" mushroom growers I talk to don't like the guys that grow drug mushrooms.

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What does the kind of mushroom grown have anything to do with the information on page 7 of the mentioned PDF file? I admire your quest in questioning things that are generally accepted without justification but it seems you are veering from that and instead trying to be difficult? 

Rahz said:

So I've got these two jars... filled with straw. Both were then filled with water. Lids with a hole in the middle, and rims were applied. One jar went into the PC and sat there at 15 psi for 1.5 hours. One jar with a meat thermometer inserted into the hole was placed in a pot of water and pasteurized at 150 for 1.5 hours. The pasteurized sub was drained immediately, the PCed sub was drained after cooling to 150. I thought of leaving the water in both jars, but the PCed straw water would likely contaminate faster simply due to more nutrients being leeched out. Once cooled to room temperature, the lids were removed and the jars were placed in my back room, several feet from one another, in the same area I store my bale of hay. Now I wait to see what happens.

Rahz

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This is what I was waiting for.  But what happens if the sterilized jar contaminates faster and someone asks for proof as to why? 

I was considering using spawn bags but then thought to myself. " If I sterilize the substrate will the microbes be of any use nutritionally?"  And then agar answered my question before I could ask.  I trust agar as an excellent source here.  In fact probably the best.  But then...I'm not a REAL mushroom cultivator.