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Vermiculite/BRF... Can it be used for bulk substrate? * 1
    #1256820 - 01/28/03 07:06 PM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I have a few jars that failed to germinate (thermal death I think  :crazy: ) and was wondering if I could take the leftover mix, re-sterilize, and use it as a bulk substrate. I am currently in the process of sterilizing them now, and was planning on making a "mini" casing out of them (2 of 'em).  I have placed the mixture in small tupperware containers with plenty of air pockets (PF style). I was planning on shooting them up with my mycelium infested honey water, then case it in my glovebox once decently colonized.

Anyone see a problem with this? Just an experiment anyway, I wasnt really planning on this working wonders. Rather than throw away this seemingly good substrate, I figured I could reuse it this way. I thought about just re-innoculating the jars but the mix looked too packed down to use it in the current state, plus I had some soaked grain leftover from my new batch and didnt want to waste that either.

One more question...  Can I shake my little tupperware containers like grain to speed up the colonization? I dont plan on using a top casing layer until later so I wouldnt have to worry about mixing... but will the BRF/Vermiculite get too packed down if I were to shake it? 


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Re: Vermiculite/BRF... Can it be used for bulk substrate? [Re: ATWAR] * 1
    #1257378 - 01/29/03 03:02 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

the only problems i can foresee are A. improper water content and B. some of the extra verm layer will inevitably get mixed into the original substrate thereby altering the recipe somewhat (not necessarily a bad thing). The water content would be the hardest. I think maybe you should bake at lke 120 degrees for a couple hours on foil to dehydrate then add the correct amount of water back in. i have no experience with any of this. just some thoughts.

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Re: Vermiculite/BRF... Can it be used for bulk substrate? [Re: debianlinux] * 1
    #1257457 - 01/29/03 03:50 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

I dont really see it being a problem. But it really depends how old they are.

But why not just mix up a batch of fresh substrate? It's cheap and easy enough...

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Re: Vermiculite/BRF... Can it be used for bulk substrate? [Re: ATWAR] * 1
    #1257480 - 01/29/03 04:04 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Contams and lots of them.


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Re: Vermiculite/BRF... Can it be used for bulk substrate? [Re: diggitydankman] * 1
    #1257486 - 01/29/03 04:09 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

What exactly does that mean? Contams on what??

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Re: Vermiculite/BRF... Can it be used for bulk substrate? [Re: dankcrop] * 1
    #1257510 - 01/29/03 04:20 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

On the bulk BRF.


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Re: Vermiculite/BRF... Can it be used for bulk substrate? [Re: dankcrop] * 1
    #1257678 - 01/29/03 05:53 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Well, I know substrate is cheap but I really dont like wasting anything that still seems good. I figured that the water content would be a bit tricky, and contamination is always looming around so I got it as best as I could tell, and re-sterilized and used my glovebox.

I figured to hell with throwing it away, I have 2 little tupperware containers and figured I would give it a shot. Innoculated them early this morning and I shall see if I get any growth. Out of my whole batch (of jars) I didnt get one contam, but 2 of my jars got way too hot, all the others are fine though. Plus I had grain left over and wanted to use the jars. They were a couple weeks old, although still looked and smelled fine, thats why I didnt want to throw it away.

Hopefully everything will come up ok, in retrospect that was way too much work for it to grow a disease...


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Re: Vermiculite/BRF... Can it be used for bulk substrate? [Re: ATWAR] * 1
    #1257690 - 01/29/03 05:58 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

If you really want bulk, don't go BRF/verm..

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Re: Vermiculite/BRF... Can it be used for bulk substrate? [Re: bjkroll] * 1
    #1257727 - 01/29/03 06:07 AM (21 years, 5 months ago)

Apparently you have been mislead to believe that I am going to use this as a substitute for a bulk substrate. This is untrue.

If you read my post instead of the topic you will see that it is just an experiment into reusing 2 failed jars that appeared too packed down to reinnoculate.

But thanks anyway....

All I can do now is wait a few days.....


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