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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: psychedelix]
    #4965804 - 11/21/05 10:49 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

You'd have a substantial tolerance if you did them today.


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: HeavyToilet]
    #4965849 - 11/21/05 11:02 PM (16 years, 15 days ago)

the likeliness of it all, is yes, you will have considerable tolerance, most do, some dont, but more than likely you will need to dose about twice as much as you did last night, if your in the states, the only store i could find the currant juice at was Tops


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: incubaby_421]
    #4966432 - 11/22/05 01:13 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

Have you ever done just lemon shrooms incubaby? I know just that was enough to almost freak me out, but I took my normal fun eaten dose hehe, and wasnt prepared.


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: incubaby_421]
    #4966688 - 11/22/05 02:22 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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incubaby_421 said:
yes, it did work that AMAZINGLY WELL...
when i posted wow and the weird bird thing, i proceeded to melt into my computer monitor, wall paper flowers were growing, carpet was turnign into worms, im talking about fear and loathing shit, NEVER  in my history of being bemushroomed have i hallucinated like that, NEVER
anyways

Black Currant Juice brand: CurrantC
Juice Quantity: 16 oz.
Mushrooms species: Psylocybe Cubensis
Mushrooms Quantity: 4 gr. dry
Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): Yes, ate from the same crop thrice before.
Hours since last meal: 7 h.
Description of effects compared vs. no juice:umm... these are relativly potent shrooms, but, god damn, that was more like 6 hits of acid than an eighth of shrooms
Description of effects compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: i have never done shrooms with only lemon or lime, but i did this time, plus the juice, id say that 10x would be a pretty accurate multiplication of the effects... at one point in time i went across the dark house to get some rainbow sherbert, the darkness was just one big ass hyallucination... amazing...
Are you positively sure that there IS definitely an improvement in potency? (Y/N): yes
Estimated potency compared vs. no juice: 4X-5X
Estimated potency compared vs. Lemon/Lime juice: 1.5X-2X
Time to "first alert" (aka, "whoa, something's definitely going to happen"): 45 mins.
Time to onset of visual disturbance: 60 mins.
Time to peak (rough estimate): 4! hours
Time to first sign of diminishing effects: 4 1/4 hours
Time to baseline (indiscernable effects): 7 hours


i just want to say this is by far the hardest i have ever tripped off of anyhting, newbies BE CAREFULL, i have been there, ive ate ounces that didnt do that much before, this could definitly take someone to a very bad place




All I can say is... Hats off to you mate!

I'm so glad. This is what communities are for.

After reading incubaby's report, PLEASE, be careful. Incubaby IS an experienced tripper and he claims to have had his strongest trip ever, after 250-300 trips. PLEASE, read the whole thread before considering doing anything. This is a SERIOUS warning.

Let's be responsible, ok?  :thumbup:

Keep us informed about that email incubaby.

Cheers!


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: incubaby_421]
    #4966757 - 11/22/05 02:45 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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incubaby_421 said:

Black Currant Juice brand: CurrantC
Juice Quantity: 16 oz.
Mushrooms species: Psylocybe Cubensis
Mushrooms Quantity: 4 gr. dry
Did you know the potency of the mushrooms beforehand? (Y/N): Yes, ate from the same crop thrice before.
Hours since last meal: 7 h.





Some question for you incubaby.

Can you describe the exact procedure you used to eat the mushrooms?
- You soaked the mushrooms in lemon/lime juice or you ate them while drinking black currant+lemon/lime juice at the same time?
- What amount of each lemon and/or lime juice did you use?
- If you soaked the mushrooms, for how long before eating them?

Thanks mate.


Edited by infinitedot (11/22/05 02:46 AM)


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: Psiloman]
    #4966940 - 11/22/05 04:14 AM (16 years, 15 days ago)

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Psiloman said:
Now here is something interesting i read : http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v06n3/06332ott.html

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Nevertheless, inasmuch as so many people have avowed that Syrian rue seeds potentiate psilocybian mushrooms, there must be some truth to this. I am not claiming this is not true, only that we have no solid proof of this. Since data on related visionary tryptamines DMT and LSD suggest conventional wisdom on this point is wrong, any potentiation of psilocybin by MAOI would be an anomaly, hardly expected - certainly not to be taken for granted.




Interesting none the less....






Now that was interesting. This might be in fact the confirmation and evidence needed that Jonathan Ott was right and that MAOI's might only work with mushrooms and maybe not with DMT, LSD and other psychedelics.

Is Jonathan Ott's email handy? Anyone? He might be interested in knowing about this.


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: infinitedot]
    #4967912 - 11/22/05 01:31 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

I think I found something interesting. Anthocyanins present in Black Currants might explain the strong visuals, though some studies refute this.


Phenolic compounds in berries of black, red, green, and white currants (Ribes sp.).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...3993&query_hl=2

Our results suggest that anthocyanins dominate in black and red currants, whereas proanthocyanidins and phenolic acids are the predominant phenolic compounds in green and white currants.

Anthocyanins are the active component in several herbal folk medicines such as bilberry (Vaccinium myrtillus), which was used in the 12th century to induce menstruation and during World War II to improve British pilots' night vision.

Eyesight: Anthocyanins may also improve eyesight by other mechanisms. In a French study conducted in 1964, researchers vision-tested 36 people for their ability to adapt to light and dark both before and after taking bilberry anthocyanins. For several hours after supplementation, their eyesight improved significantly, although the effect wore off within 24 hours.17 A recent Japanese study found that people taking 50 mg, but not 20 mg, black currant anthocyanins adapted better to the dark and had less eye fatigue than those in the placebo group.18

Two recent tests on anthocyanins and vision have produced negative results. In 1999, Israeli researchers found that supplementation with 24 mg and 48 mg anthocyanins daily did not improve three measures of night vision: scotopic retinal threshold, dark adaptation rates, and mesoptic contrast sensitivity.19 Researchers in a NASA study found that using 40 mg bilberry anthocyanins had no effect in night vision, visual acuity, or contrast sensitivity compared with placebo.

http://www.newhope.com/nutritionsciencenews/NSN_backs/Dec_01/antho.cfm

A fifth RCT and 7 non-randomized controlled trials reported positive effects on outcome measures relevant to night vision.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...1439&query_hl=2


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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: infinitedot]
    #4967989 - 11/22/05 02:01 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

This is probably the best blackcurrant juice on the market, Innocent "juicy water":



The ingredients as printed on the bottle:

spring water (79%)
38 squeezed blackcurrants (10%)
some natural sugar
and a dash of fresh lemon juice


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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: Revelation]
    #4968126 - 11/22/05 02:36 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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Revelation said:
This is probably the best blackcurrant juice on the market, Innocent "juicy water":





Is there a concentrated version of that?

At 10% purity, you'd need to drink 2.75 liters to get the suggested 275ml. of pure juice :crazy:


Edited by infinitedot (11/22/05 02:38 PM)


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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: infinitedot]
    #4968134 - 11/22/05 02:38 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Oh right my mistake, at least I know that stuff is no good now. Tasty though.


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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: Revelation]
    #4968892 - 11/22/05 06:13 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

no email yet...
i filled up a dounle shot glass with lime juice concentrate, the kind in the little plastic lime...
i put my 4g in my coffee grinder and stirred it in with the juice, let it sit for about 10 mintes, and chugged,
i drank the currant juice about an hour beforehand


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: incubaby_421]
    #4968905 - 11/22/05 06:15 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

and no, ive never tripped with only lemon/lime...
maybe i should for purposes of comparison...


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: incubaby_421]
    #4969107 - 11/22/05 07:14 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

how much current c did you drink. and where did you buy the current c?


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: kingfish4200]
    #4969120 - 11/22/05 07:17 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

i bought a 16 oz. bottle at tops, it was like 3 bucks, i drank it all


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: yousuck]
    #4969225 - 11/22/05 07:37 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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yousuck said:
I think its been overlooked that fruitjuices that inhibit the CYP3A4 enzyme through bioflavinoid action in conjunction with other elements of powdering psychoactives within juices, potentiates mushrooms to a far greater degree than does maoi's like harmala.

Likewise, Maoi's like harmala greatly potentiate DMT while fruit juices have never been reported to potentiate DMT, although this may be because it has never been done before [experiment in progress].

While it could be a weak maoi, in which case an inordanant amount would have to be consumed, it is far more likely to be serve the same function as the rest of its fruit juice cousins by inhibiting the CYP3A4 class enzyme and not the mao class enzyme.




That's a very good point indeed. It's been pointed that DMT might be present in very small quantities in some particular mushrooms species. This might be related with CYP3A4 class enzyme instead of MAO ones.

DMT from mushrooms, now that might be indeed a quantum leap forward and might very well explain such a strong experience for incubaby.


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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: incubaby_421]
    #4969236 - 11/22/05 07:39 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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i drank the currant juice about an hour beforehand




Thanks for this incubaby. I'm going to update the first post in order to suggest drinking it 1 hour beforehand then.


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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: infinitedot]
    #4970354 - 11/22/05 11:18 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

i am here to help,
and to trip my ass off...
litteraly

thank YOU for this sugestion, i havent had introspection of that magnitude since i was getting my cherry popped...
YOU my freind, are a saint, i needed this worse than you could possibly know


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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: incubaby_421]
    #4970450 - 11/22/05 11:36 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

Quote:

incubaby_421 said:
i am here to help,
and to trip my ass off...
litteraly

thank YOU for this sugestion, i havent had introspection of that magnitude since i was getting my cherry popped...
YOU my freind, are a saint, i needed this worse than you could possibly know




My friend, I'm really happy to hear that. If only all this served to make you feel like that, for me it was more than worth it.

I know what you mean too. I had a deep paradigm shift on 30gr. of panaeolus cyanescens + Orange juice and it was a life changing experience that I know is going to stay with me forever. I couldn't be more thankful to entheogens as a way for self-knowledge. It's a pity that the study of Consciousness is so forgotten these days, when we need so much to experience that we are indeed all One and the same.

Good vibes your way  :sun:


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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: infinitedot]
    #4970497 - 11/22/05 11:42 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

i just hate when you NEED into your brain but there seems to be something in the way...
you know though, i can tell...
your one of the select handfull that understand...
i need not say more....
but i suppose the answer is, when your brain says no, you say "fuck you" and blow its ass outta the water, granted this isnt an option for all...

the thought crossed my mind when i was laying in my room alone to eat the two doses of lucy i have left, but then i decided against it becuase it would botch the experiment even further,

none the less, thank you


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Re: *** Gummiberry juice experiment: Black Currant Juice + Lemon Juice = 10X Potency!! *** [Re: incubaby_421]
    #4970559 - 11/22/05 11:52 PM (16 years, 14 days ago)

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you know though, i can tell...
your one of the select handfull that understand...
i need not say more....





No need to explain any further. We know what we mean indeed.
I have much respect for entheogens. One of the most precious gifts on Earth. I hope lots of people benefit from this as well. You cannot change the world, but you can begin to change it. The only possible revolution begins with yourself.

Peace :mushroom2:


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