alienbaby said:

Ok and since bc is maoi the trip will be similar to my rue+shrooms trips? I think syrian rue makes the trip very diffrent and longer but i am more in control. I think rue is good to avoid a bad trip

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alienbaby said:

Ok and since bc is maoi the trip will be similar to my rue+shrooms trips?

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Underhillmaster said:

Lol, I live in the sticks sigh. I did find black currant jelly though in the jelly aisle at the local grocery. Maybe I could mix up a few tablespoons with some lemon juice and soak my shroom powder. Gonna be awhile til my next trip, so I will keep looking for bc juice.

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Anybody tried St. John's Wort yet? I can get that easily.

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kaniz said:

St. Johns Wort is a MAOI, its a mild MAOI, but one nonetheless.
I dont think BC Juice will give the same effect as Syrian Rue, they are both MAOI's, but Syrian Rue can be psychadelic on it's own - so you have the MAOI factof of the Rue going, however you also have the psychadelic expiernce of it going also - which will alter the mushroom trip aswell.

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infinitedot said:

Underhillmaster said:

Lol, I live in the sticks sigh. I did find black currant jelly though in the jelly aisle at the local grocery. Maybe I could mix up a few tablespoons with some lemon juice and soak my shroom powder. Gonna be awhile til my next trip, so I will keep looking for bc juice.

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As you are already pretty well experienced with lemon juice, I'd suggest just using BC for the whole process, including soaking the mushrooms on BC juice, Underhillmaster.

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heavensgate said:

Ok, so I'm supposed to be getting an 8th of mushrooms this weekend....

I've been thinking I will take 2.5 grams first normally...then try 1 gram with the black currant juice (assuming I can find it around here). I'm just concerned maybe the dose is too high/low, or maybe this method won't work at all, and I could have just had a normal 8th trip. I'll start looking around for the juice though...but looking for some input on the doses.

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infinitedot said:

Now it takes testing if the acidity of BC is enough by itself as well. They work hypothesis is that the BC trip should be stronger than the lemon/lime one.

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HeavyToilet said:

infinitedot said:

Underhillmaster said:

Lol, I live in the sticks sigh. I did find black currant jelly though in the jelly aisle at the local grocery. Maybe I could mix up a few tablespoons with some lemon juice and soak my shroom powder. Gonna be awhile til my next trip, so I will keep looking for bc juice.

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As you are already pretty well experienced with lemon juice, I'd suggest just using BC for the whole process, including soaking the mushrooms on BC juice, Underhillmaster.

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I dunno if soaking ground up mushrooms in black currant juice would work properly in terms of potentiation from the MAOI.

I thought you had to take the MAOI a half hour to an hour before taking the mushrooms to get the proper effect.

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Underhillmaster said:

Ok, we have 3 major things going on with this MAIO/lemon/shroom combination.  First is the MAIO effect.  Second would be the acidity pre-converting psylocybin into psylocin.  Thirdly, and I do believe this has an effect, is the stomach enzyme/bioflavinoid/absorption increase.  Ideally, to maximize the potential of shrooms, all three factors should be adjusted.

This should obviously only be attempted responsibly as it could possibly get out of hand.  But the potential is quite amazing.  I have been shrooming for a long time, and now it seems like a whole new thing.  The mere possibility that you could take 2g and it feel like 20g makes taking too much very real.  So everyone be careful.

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Totally spot on Underhillmaster. 

The bioflavonoids action on certain enzymes is the third factor here.

Kaempferol, as well as other bioflavonoids present in BC juice might very well be inhibiting the gut and liver cytochrome P450 enzymes, accounting for stronger effects. The high content of ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) might very well be playing an important role here as well.

As yousuck pointed,

"I think its been overlooked that fruitjuices that inhibit the CYP3A4 enzyme through bioflavinoid action in conjunction with other elements of powdering psychoactives within juices, potentiates mushrooms to a far greater degree than does maoi's like harmala."

That's why Black Currant juice seems to be such a good combination of MAOI, acidity, bioflavonoids and ascorbic acid, that might make it ideal to potentiate mushrooms up to a 10X.

More tests have to be done though, no conclusion can be drawn for sure, no matter how promising the theory might look until enough tests are done and that's the part where a community like this makes sense. Always with due care, of course, as this might lead to very strong trips, as it's been already shown by 2 persons, defining them as the hardest trips they've ever had. Let's be careful please.

shamantra said:

I have black currants in my freezer that ive grown in my garden this year, maybe I should try an experiment with them intresting thread

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good good, pure black currants, ideal indeed...make sure you keep us informed