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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: License_to_Chill]
    #5274082 - 02/07/06 06:33 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

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Should I drink the whole thing or just half?




I had the math and the whole procedure written down, but misplaced the thing. It works out to 825 mls. So just drink the whole bottle, those 175mls aren't going to kill you.

Just watch your diet. Watch out for foods high in tyramine, and pay attention to other restrictions. Neglegence could be fatal.

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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: Fospher]
    #5277761 - 02/08/06 04:10 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Yea, I don't plan on eating while I'm tripping. Maybe just some water.

I have two bottles though, would the MAOI effect increase if I drink both?


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: License_to_Chill]
    #5278222 - 02/08/06 06:05 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I dont know, read my report, the whole thing didnt even work for me

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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: Fospher]
    #5278230 - 02/08/06 06:07 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Yea, I read that part. I read the entire thread...didn't see anything on doubling the dose.


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    #5278245 - 02/08/06 06:10 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Ok, just do exactly as I did, but drink two bottles. Logically what I did should work, but heck, might as well experiment.

Oh, and it's not a matter of eating while tripping ... you cant eat these foods at least 8 hours prior to.


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: Fospher]
    #5278272 - 02/08/06 06:16 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Oh, I see.

Well, I planned on fasting for about 12 or 24 hours prior anyway.

Then, drink the juice about an hour to an hour and a half before eating the mushrooms.


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    #5278308 - 02/08/06 06:27 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

Here's my suggestion since you're trying the same brand:

Wake up relatively early, and besides maybe some orange juice (no banana), fast the entire day. At nighttime drink the juice, wait an hour, and "lemon juice" 2 grams.


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    #5278318 - 02/08/06 06:31 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I'm going to also soak them in Grapefruit juice and Lime Juice.


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: License_to_Chill]
    #5310223 - 02/17/06 01:59 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

i found this same thread on bluelight and found completly diffrent answers there,

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=231012


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: Jalruza]
    #5324943 - 02/21/06 07:37 PM (15 years, 9 months ago)

I ma gonna try this soon ~


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Re: *** BLACK CURRANT JUICE is a MAO inhibitor *** + Lemon Juice = 10X Effects?? [Re: csyhomme]
    #5433100 - 03/23/06 08:40 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

im looking to try this soon but i dont want the trip shortened which is what seems to happen. i like to trip as hard as possible, aswell as as long as possible. what if i take the blackcurrant juice, then 1 hour later just eat the shrooms like i normally would? will this make the trip stronger but also keep it going for 4+ hours?

sorry if this has already been answered ive read through half the posts on this topic but not all of them as there is too many.


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: giz]
    #5433450 - 03/23/06 11:18 AM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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i found this same thread on bluelight and found completly diffrent answers there




The bluelight thread - I read it and it is an absolutely disgraceful spectacle.

Let's be honest, I'm sceptical (with a C) about the gummiberries, but this is where an open mind ought to kick in.

Not so in that thread which is a disgrace to bluelight.

Our Infinitedot has been a tad speculative, rude and perhaps unreasonable over there but it was in defense against an onslaught of Skeptic (with a K) boo-ing.

You can argue against some of the theories, but to knock down the observations like it happened there... That's bad. Ugly. And the Lemon Experiment suffered a similar fate in an interforum-post there.

With all sorts of projects i've seen initiated on several "psychedelic" sites I've seen time and time again a mixture of apathy and rejection of the idea because it sounds outrageous.
We are VERY reluctant to change our minds, let alone have others change ours, and choose rattling the keyboard over experimenting ourselves.

Good grief people, are we so closed-minded?
I was considering unstickying this thread so I'm reviewing it. I'm sceptical (note the C) about some statements and the theorizing, and personally I believe it might be the Lemon effect (acidic predigestion and enhanced absorption) in combination with possibly the fasting which for the most part might be responsible.

I'm trying to get real gummiberry juice but the ogres took it all from the shops near here ^_^

For now, let's do a small poll here.


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I tried it - there was MUCH potentiation
I tried it - there was SOME potentiation
I tried it - there was no real difference
I tried it - effects were somewhat diminiahed
I tried it - effects wete greatly diminished
I have NOT YET tried it but I will
I have NOT tried it - and won't
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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: Asante]
    #5435076 - 03/23/06 06:24 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

Can't agree with you on your comments about the bluelight folks attitude, Sir!
I believe your wording is way too mild and gentlemanly. Reading the thread on bluelight made me so extremely depressed that I was really close to lose my faith in mankind. These people reminded me of old Party gerontocrats having their regular Politbureau meeting, this time with pinning down a bourgeous falsificator infinitedot on their agenda.
Just can't believe any one of those experts has ever tried any psychedelic substance in their life - you can't stay this aggressively ignorant even after a single mind-expanding experience.
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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: shneck]
    #5435321 - 03/23/06 07:40 PM (15 years, 8 months ago)

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Reading the thread on bluelight made me so extremely depressed that I was really close to lose my faith in mankind.




Hmm, there's conservatism blended with peer group effects and bluelight vs. shroomery rivalry. I think that if an independant moderator had stepped in there and smacked the lid on hostilities and innuendo (from boths sides) on the moment it arose, their thread would have been more balanced and neither side would have gone to this tragic escalation that happened, resulting in the whole thread going up in flames.
Good science wasn't present on either side of the conflict.

Immediately it should be said that good science *cannot* be present because that requires double-blind trials.

So good science is out, but we psychedelic people must be able to meet in the middle between good science and a shouting match!

Not holier than thou: the Shroomery has threads like that too.


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I stickied this thread to see where it would lead. Because I was sceptical about it I decided to stay out of it. Since then the thread has grown in many ways and more information is available.
I just now reviewed it more thoroughly.

I didnt look at explanations but I did look at what was observed.
Here's my take on it:

I don't see the claim of 10x potentiation holding up.
If you look at incubaby_421's words he basically compared 4gr of "somewhat stronger" mushrooms with several instances of 28gr of "somewhat weaker" mushrooms. This by no means is a 10x potentiation even though the phrase 10x was used to describe the effects.

What I do see however further on are several things that point in the direction of a 3-6x potentiation, or what's pinned as "1.5-2x Lemon". Even the "10x" claim comparing 4gr with ounces falls into this realm if you let stronger and weaker deviate a reasonable degree.

Gummiberry method: 3-6x potentiation (estimated)
Lemon/Lime method: 2-5x potentiation (estimated)

Looking at this I think that whatever causes the Lemon effect might well be causing the Gummiberry effect, only more pronouncedly so.

My own personal Lemon theory is "acidic predigestion + more efficient absorption" and I think that holds true for Gummiberries too.

Still, it looks like the Gummiberry method is the stronger one of the two, but the Lemon method is more convenient.

So yes, I definitely think there is something in Lemons and Gummiberries, and while there is no scientific proof that these indeed potentiate the mushroom experience, the observations as seen in the two threads definitely point in the direction that this is occurring.


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: Asante]
    #5578300 - 05/01/06 08:09 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

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With all sorts of projects i've seen initiated on several "psychedelic" sites I've seen time and time again a mixture of apathy and rejection of the idea because it sounds outrageous.





Can you blame people for that? Simple logic dictates, but not here on the shroomery, it seems. All I see are premature conclusions and fallacies.

If you want to state that there is some kind of actual potentiation going on, better come up with some hard proof, don't come up with anecdotal evidence.

I find it ridiculous that this thread now begins with the statement:
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MOD EDIT: thoroughly researched, of potentially high interest, 1.500+ views/150+ posts and independent verification required: stickied for now. Please note that independent reports are far more important than academic discussion at this point.




Independent reports mean squat. Thanks to the threads here with people stating that lemon and black currant juice definitively potentiate the trip through some unknown mechanism, you have created another myth, a very popular one as well.

As a psychedelic community you guys should be weary of anything like this, in this case it might not be dangerous, but mis-information is the last thing you want, there's already so much nonsense out there. IMO this is just like the myth that vit C or orange juice will stop a bad trip, correlation does not imply causation, just because your bad trip stopped because of it does not mean it actually did, power of suggestion.

In the case of lemon juice etc, it's simply the expectancy effect coupled with the method of administration and thus increased absorption, nothing more. A more logical explanation does not exist.


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: Blowmonkey]
    #5580229 - 05/02/06 04:36 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Have you tried it yourself, Blowmonkey, Sir?
Or you just know it, period?


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Re: Gummihuasca experiment - Black Currant Juice to increase mushroom effects - Please contribute [Re: shneck]
    #5580291 - 05/02/06 05:35 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

That's what I mean. Me trying it isn't going to make a difference here. Anecdotal evidence really doesn't mean anything. I'm in no hurry to try it, because I haven't taken any psychedelic for over more than a year now (with the exception of cannabis), all in due time.

I'm not saying that this method of administration doesn't feel stronger. Au contraire. But it's simply the method of administration. Just like with a tea. Increased absorption means higher plasma levels, means a faster onset, harder peak and fades more quickly. That is everything which has been reported in this thread, nothing more, nothing less. This is by no means "potentiation"..


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    #5580903 - 05/02/06 11:56 AM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Well, reminds me discussion on bluelight, sorry.
The thing is, I have tried both methods myself, and lemon method was tried by around 6-8 of my friends as well.
Anecdotal evidence is the only available evidence when there is no other present, the method works and I really can't get what's wrong with some guys.
When 1 tripper gets 3g dry shrooms and another takes 1g in lemon juice, and the latter has a deeper trip than the former - what other proof one can possibly need?
I have had a level 5+ trip with less than 1g (~.7) medium strength shrooms lemon+BC, with a complete ego DEATH.
I wouldn't trip at all with same batch if taken the usual way.
There was a lot said about possible mechanisms at work here and you can agree or disagree with it.
I just don't think it's wise to negate an obvious thing - THIS METHOD WORKS IN VIVO, whatever guys at bluelight or anywhere say or think.

Like I said before, I think their (and obviously your) problem is that they just don't want to accept it. There is an easy way to try it yourself and know it once and for all - do it and see.
Otherwise, it's just the same old story - "It can't be 'cause it just can't be so".

Anyway, I guess there's no use to argue here since it turns to a demagogic type of discussion.

Peace and hope you'll be curious enough at least to try it and come to a conclusion afterwards, not vice versa.


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    #5581528 - 05/02/06 03:40 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Dude, I AM from Bluelight. :wink:

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When 1 tripper gets 3g dry shrooms and another takes 1g in lemon juice, and the latter has a deeper trip than the former - what other proof one can possibly need?




Much more to from a definitive conclusion. As well as method of administration, set & setting might've played a big role in this as well.

I have taken many mushrooms and not once was it the same. One of the last times I tripped on mushrooms, I only took 15 gram of wet shrooms (cubensis) and had one of my strongest trips up to date, it was comparable to a strong 5-MeO-DMT trip, completely overwhelming. I attribute this to set & setting and the variance of alkaloid contents amongst different mushrooms.


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    #5581976 - 05/02/06 06:16 PM (15 years, 7 months ago)

Gotcha, tovarisch, cheers to the bluelight experts' board!

Dude, you don't need to educate me that every trip is different, trust me I know it.
If you made an effort and read the lemon thread you would not talk about this single example that I put here. I'm talking about 6 or 7 real people taking shrooms in lemon juice together with me for a period of time of almost half a year, totalling over 60 trips altogether. On an amount that before was scarcely enough for less than half the number. I'm talking about overwhelming majority of shroomery guys that have tried it with best results. I'm talking about STABLE CONSTANT INVARIABLY GREAT experiences here, that's not placebo, that's not an influence of set and setting, how many times should it be repeated - what is so difficult to understand here?

Look, mate, your arguments could well work in a theoretical scientific discussion among people who had never or rarely tried it, this is the field research and all your theoresizing falls short 'cause I know it IN VIVO and you know it in your imagination, and I have a backup of dozens of successful tests in my ghetto and here on shroomery, and you got zilch.

A colleague at my job always tells me: "You drink too much coffee, it's no good for your heart". When I ask her how is she so sure about it, she replies it's common sense (?) and that everybody khows it. Hell of a proof. Just a couple of days ago I gave her results of a 20-year research among over 128,000 people led by two medical institutions in US and some other country, don't remember. The reseacrh results prove coffee has absolutely no relation to cardiac problems and suggest that the only "possible harm" coffee may inflict is in excessive smoking and alcohol consumption more common with coffee abusers. She said: "This can't be so".

It's amazing how hard-headed can people be sometimes.
I've already said it several times - there's so damn easy way to check it, one try is enough to stop this silly dispute.

And even if some kind of sacred oath prevents you from doing this, then stick to theoretical science and simply study acid extraction guidelines evaluated and approved by Shulgin, just get to the neighbouring thread and follow the links already prepared for you there.
You know, fellow, this stubborness and negativism deserve much better application IMO.

Anyway, you can believe whatever you choose even if it is against a statistically wide range experience and lab tests, you're a free man in a free world and God bless your ignorance, amen.

Peace and don't take it too close, all that is just kinks of samsara in the long run.


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