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1" 50/50+ and NADA
    #495017 - 12/18/01 05:59 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

2 damn weeks. 2 DAMN WEEKS! It's been two weeks since I cased birdseed and jack shit. Here is EXACTLY what I did. .5 inch 50/50+ bottom casing, 2" birdseed layer, 1" 50/50+ top casing. One of the trays showed a spot or two where I then lay a bit more 50/50+ down. That was 5 days into the casing. Since then nothing has happened. Temps between 80-90 and rh at 90. I covered in foil waiting for the myc to grow into the casing but never really saw that. I misted well. I have posted about this and have gotten crap or worse for responses. I am getting a little frustrated at this point. It might be in the air as my wife is due to have a baby and it's late too!


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Re: 1" 50/50+ and NADA [Re: upupup]
    #495196 - 12/18/01 09:10 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

With the '+' i assume you mean lime? Maybe you added too much, or the wrong kind- did you use hydrated or dolomitic(hydrated is correct). Is your casing damp(it should be)? or is it dry(have you been spraying at all)? Other than that, everything sounds right in your procedure, so i don't know.

It probably won't make much of a difference, but I would try not to fluctuate so much in temp.


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Re: 1" 50/50+ and NADA [Re: upupup]
    #495208 - 12/18/01 09:20 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, well assuming you didn't mess up the 50/50+ tek in any way... possible problems/solutions:
C02 Buildup - Didn't see you mention that you are fanning, Fan at least once a day.

Temperature - Trying dropping your temp to around 75 if possible, will help initiate pinning.

Light - I'm assuming you've taken the casingi out of incubation and put it in a terarium, do you have enough light in this Terrarium?

Most likely cause of problem IMO - Casing has fallen to invisble bacteria contams and stunted mycelium growth. Or, casing was done improperly, not allowing for proper fruiting/pinning.

However, give it more time. I've had casings take a long while (3 weeks longest) before showing signs of pinning. What strain are you using? Some strains are harder to initiate pinning than others.

Hope that helped or pointed something out for you.

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Re: 1" 50/50+ and NADA [Re: Trail_Blazer]
    #495223 - 12/18/01 09:32 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

His problem isn't gettin his tray to pin(he's not even that far yet), he is saying that he is getting no mycelial growth at all into his casing layer...

another thing could be(you said you misted well) that you misted too much, or that you pushed the casing layer down when adding.. did you? when adding casing layer, it should be really fluffy and airy like...


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Re: 1" 50/50+ and NADA [Re: Olgualion]
    #495232 - 12/18/01 09:36 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Or he could just take a sterile drinking straw, shove it into his casing, retrieve a core sample, and see if mycelium is really just not growing, or just growing slowly. I did it once for the 3 week casing (turned out the mycelium WAS growing just had slowed down 10 fold). About 2 days after i took the sample, mycelium had covered about 30 % of the surface. Amazing the difference 48 hours can make.

Either way, give it another week, then worry.

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Re: 1" 50/50+ and NADA [Re: Trail_Blazer]
    #495347 - 12/18/01 11:29 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

I used hydrateed lime. I used as much as the tek called for. Ihave had them covered as per the 50/50+ tek and have been waiting for the myc growth and then I was going to uncover them. I uncovered one as a test and it still isn't showing myc growth. I am wondering about Invisible contams? But on all? From different jars? It seems more like a environment problem or a casing problem. Casing is fluffy. I wonder if I misted too much? It doesn't seem like it. There is no panning. What would the myc look like underneath if I did mist too much? What would ya'll do to make this happen?


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Re: 1" 50/50+ and NADA [Re: upupup]
    #495356 - 12/18/01 11:37 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

1" of casing is pushing it IMO. I usually use 1/4-1/2" of casing. So nothing has happened with the casings? Hmmmm. Are you sure you used the right amount of lime, I know this has been asked. How much did you use per casing or what was the formula? I really hope that heating thing works, you were so happy, now your just kind of blah.
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Re: 1" 50/50+ and NADA [Re: upupup]
    #495475 - 12/19/01 01:14 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Like blahblahblah said, 1 full inch may be a bit much, but it shouldn't be bad. What I would do is carefully dig a little in and see if ANY mycelium is growing through the casing. If there is none, then I would say there may be something wrong with the actual casing mix(such as a Ph being waay out of whack)


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Re: 1" 50/50+ and NADA [Re: Olgualion]
    #495575 - 12/19/01 03:37 AM (14 years, 11 months ago)

hi
hey i read one of the threads on here and it said that one of the teks the same one i used that also called for lime,calls for way to much lime,lucky for me i couldnt find the lime so i didnt use it i saw this thread the same day i did mine it was about 4 days ago,so i bet thats your prob if used the casing method on this site.


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Re: 1" 50/50+ and NADA [Re: upupup]
    #495896 - 12/19/01 02:08 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Another victem of the 50/50+ typo on how much lime to add. This tek which I have seen WRONG in about 4 places so far. Seems like it's a secret to get newbies. Remove the casing and remix with about a tablespoon for a entire gallon of water. I think the tek says to use about 20x as much as you should.


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Re: 1" 50/50+ and NADA [Re: AnArKey]
    #496395 - 12/19/01 11:00 PM (14 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah. I am thinking that it's the fucking lime. I will recase. Thanks everybody. It does seem that the myc is almost afraid of the casing if that makes sense. Damn if there is nothing more frustrating than casings not casing! Lovin ya'll!!!


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