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Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051102/ap_on_en_mo/film_sept11_movie


Stone Begins Shooting 9/11 Movie in N.Y.

By AMY WESTFELDT,

Associated Press Writer



NEW YORK - Oliver Stone has begun shooting one of the first Hollywood films about Sept. 11 in New York ? without recreating the large-scale devastation that's all too familiar to residents who lived through the 2001 attacks.

After months of meetings with community and family groups, producers of the untitled movie have promised to tread carefully on sensitive ground. Most of the major action portraying the World Trade Center collapse will be shot on a Los Angeles sound stage. And although news footage of the towers themselves will be shown during the film, it will play on television screens in the background.

"We're not doing the `Towering Inferno-Titanic' version," said Michael Shamberg, who's producing the Paramount film with his partner, Stacey Sher.

Stone started shooting scenes in New York last month for his untitled film, starring Nicolas Cage as one of two policemen who survived the towers' collapse and were rescued from the trade center ruins after 22 hours.

After holding dozens of meetings, producers decided to limit their filming in the city, shooting the bulk of the action in Los Angeles and staying away from the 16-acre trade center site.

Family members who met with the producers said they still weren't sure whether Hollywood would treat Sept. 11 with proper respect.

"Are there going to be love scenes in it? How do you portray it correctly?" said Lee Ielpi, who lost his firefighter son on Sept. 11, and met with producers about the film. "It has to be done with some reverence."

Others said they were concerned about how Stone ? whose more controversial films include "JFK," which offered conspiracy theories about the Kennedy assassination ? might interpret the attacks in the film. In October 2001, Stone was quoted as referring to the attacks as a "revolt" against multinational corporations. But in July, Stone called the untitled project "a work of collective passion, a serious meditation on what happened, and carries within a compassion that heals."

"It's an exploration of heroism in our country ? but it's international at the same time in its humanity," he said.

Charles Wolf, who lost his wife on Sept. 11, has met with producers and asked to see a copy of Andrea Berloff's script. He said he appreciated the outreach and sensitivity of the filmmakers, but wanted to make sure that the day's events, including details as precise as the officers' view of the elevator from the rubble, are represented accurately.

"I think they need to be factual. It's too close in people's minds," Wolf said. "`Based on a true story' should not happen here."

Because Berloff's script focuses entirely on police officers John McLoughlin and William J. Jimeno's experience on Sept. 11, the film will not interpret the politics or meaning of Sept. 11, the producers said. Stone has taken great care to portray the event as it happened, and has worked to make sure that Cage, Michael Pena and the other actors playing officers are using authentic equipment.

"We're not doing everyone's story that day," said Shamberg. "We're trusted with the accuracy of the particular story that we're telling."

The script about McLoughlin and Jimeno also focuses on their families. The filmmakers plan to show news footage of the towers on TV screens watched by actors, the producers said.

The Stone film may not be the first studio film about Sept. 11 to be released. "Flight 93," a Universal Studios film about the hijacked plane that left Newark, N.J., and crashed into a Pennsylvania field, is scheduled for an April release. Stone's film will be shooting in New York through mid-November and is tentatively scheduled to open Aug. 11, one month before the attacks' fifth anniversary.

Other Sept. 11 films are in development, including an adaptation of the book, "102 Minutes" and a TV miniseries based on the findings of the Sept. 11 commission.

Paramount hired Jennifer Brown, a former vice president for community development at the Lower Manhattan Development Corp. in charge of rebuilding the trade center site, to act as a liaison with the community. Brown set up more than a dozen meetings with business, community, family and survivor groups, along with police and fire officials.

Brown said that once people understood that the story was only about the officers and not about the entire story of Sept. 11, they were supportive.

"What we've heard mostly, is just to be real," she said.

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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Only in America


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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: RandalFlagg]
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and it's sad that mel gibson had to prey on poor jesus' death.

hollywood pigs.


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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: afoaf]
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Well, that's a bit different. Everyone knows how much Mel loves Jesus. Then again Spike loves New York, so who am I to judge


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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: Unagipie]
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Would it be worse to use 9/11 for say...political gain?


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: RandalFlagg]
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What ever happened to that movie some famous Hollywood director was supposed to make about the plane that was shot down in the Pennsylvania woods?

LET'S ROLL. That one.

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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: Unagipie]
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Quote:
"We're not doing the `Towering Inferno-Titanic' version," said Michael Shamberg, who's producing the Paramount film with his partner, Stacey Sher.


that one comes out in 2050


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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: RandalFlagg]
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It's not like this is any worse than every single movie ever made about a real disaster.

I'll bet if someone decided to make a movie about the 2004 tsunami there wouldn't be a huge uproar... it was americans who died in 9/11 and not just a bunch of foreigners.

People profited by selling memorial t-shirts, statuettes, flags, and there was only minor grumbling... what's wrong with making a movie about it? Is anyone going to be hurt in any way at all by the movie?

Some people are just offended by everything.


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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: Phluck]
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Agree.




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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: RandalFlagg]
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This movie should not be made by Oliver Stone. I believe this is an insult to the American people. Although I respect him for his service in Vietnam, he has openly stated that hates patriotism.

9/11 was very much a patriotic event in that it was an attack on America, but specifically the civilians of America. This is undeniable. Oliver Stone surely realizes this, and it makes you wonder why he would want to involve himself with a disaster that was deeply involved with patriotism, and continues to be so. There is no doubt he has an alternative agenda to either take away the patriotism involved, or skew it in some way that spreads his views. This is disgusting.

It isn't like he is an objective director. Almost all of his films had some kind of message, and most were political and obviously so.

More hollywood attempts at underming this country.


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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: looner2]
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I made my first post before I read the article. Since reading it I found this,

"It's an exploration of heroism in our country ? but it's international at the same time in its humanity," he said.

Well fuck me! Was I right on or what? I have wisdom beyond my years.

Back on topic.

Oliver, fuck you. It wasn't about humanity, it was about AMERICANS.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

fuck face.


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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: looner2]
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looner2 said:
I made my first post before I read the article. Since reading it I found this,

"It's an exploration of heroism in our country ? but it's international at the same time in its humanity," he said.

Well fuck me! Was I right on or what? I have wisdom beyond my years.

Back on topic.

Oliver, fuck you. It wasn't about humanity, it was about AMERICANS.

BIG DIFFERENCE.

fuck face.


Someone give this man a PhD. Try replacing the word 'international' with 'universal' since that is what is meant in the context of what is said and think of the word humanity being used as the quality of being humane; benevolence, rather than humans considered as a group; the human race.

The impression I get from Oliver Stone shoots Sept. 11 movie in New York, treading on sensitive turf is that Stone has gone out of his way to make sure the topic is being treated with the revrence it deserves. Now it's possible you will be right and it will have some political agenda behind it -- if and when that's confirmed you can continue your little FUCK FUCK tirade, but until then you should probably stop making a fool of yourself.


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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: Ancalagon]
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Ancalagon said:
Someone give this man a PhD. Try replacing the word 'international' with 'universal' since that is what is meant in the context of what is said and think of the word humanity being used as the quality of being humane; benevolence, rather than humans considered as a group; the human race.


Thanks Annie, but I'm already working on one!

Sorry you are so hung up on definitions my friend, but it is hindering your ability to grasp the nature of what someone is meaning to say.

Just because you want him to say "universal" instead of "international" does not make it so. He said international because he doesn't want this to be a national issue. He doesn't want patriotism involved. This is a given. He hates it! I will also not even begin to budge on the fact that "humanity" is a humanists way of representing the world. You can analyze the dictionary anyway you want, but what he was saying is clear. No borders and no patriotism is exactly what he wants to turn this movie into. Just like the FUCKsticks who want to disgrace the memorial there also.

Ancalagon said:
ow it's possible you will be right and it will have some political agenda behind it -- if and when that's confirmed you can continue your little FUCK FUCK tirade, but until then you should probably stop making a fool of yourself.


I will continue my tirade anytime I feel like it Annie.


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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: Phluck]
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Phluck said:
It's not like this is any worse than every single movie ever made about a real disaster.

I'll bet if someone decided to make a movie about the 2004 tsunami there wouldn't be a huge uproar... it was americans who died in 9/11 and not just a bunch of foreigners.

People profited by selling memorial t-shirts, statuettes, flags, and there was only minor grumbling... what's wrong with making a movie about it? Is anyone going to be hurt in any way at all by the movie?



Comparing a natural disaster to a willful and vicious act that targeted innocent civilians is like comparing apples and oranges.

The 9/11 attacks generated a deep sense of sadness and anger within me. I do not think it is appropriate at this time to use that subject for entertainment. Maybe in 20 or 30 years it would be ok.

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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:
Phluck said:
It's not like this is any worse than every single movie ever made about a real disaster.

I'll bet if someone decided to make a movie about the 2004 tsunami there wouldn't be a huge uproar... it was americans who died in 9/11 and not just a bunch of foreigners.

People profited by selling memorial t-shirts, statuettes, flags, and there was only minor grumbling... what's wrong with making a movie about it? Is anyone going to be hurt in any way at all by the movie?



Comparing a natural disaster to a willful and vicious act that targeted innocent civilians is like comparing apples and oranges.

The 9/11 attacks generated a deep sense of sadness and anger within me. I do not think it is appropriate at this time to use that subject for entertainment. Maybe in 20 or 30 years it would be ok.


Why should it ever be okay if it's not okay now? If exploiting a horrible tragedy is disgraceful in 2005 I see no reason for it to not be disgraceful in 2025 or 2100 or 3000. To me, at least, it is wholly based on how the event is treated. If Movie X came out in 1946 and treated the Holocaust with reverence and grace, I do not see what the problem with it would be -- Movie Y, however, that made a mockery of the Holocaust would be distasteful to me regardless of when it came out; if it should be released in 75 years when no one who was alive at the time is still alive, would it be alright to make light of such a horrible moment in history?


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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: Ancalagon]
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Ancalagon said:
Why should it ever be okay if it's not okay now? If exploiting a horrible tragedy is disgraceful in 2005 I see no reason for it to not be disgraceful in 2025 or 2100 or 3000. To me, at least, it is wholly based on how the event is treated.


Because as time goes by, painful feelings about some memory tend to fade usually. There is a "grace" period where I do not like to be reminded of a tragedy. For example, I can talk about my father's death now, but for several years after it happened I did not want to talk about it.

Edited by RandalFlagg (11/03/05 04:09 PM)

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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: RandalFlagg]
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As long as it is a memorial and not a travesty to the people who died in the event, I don't have much a problem with it.

He should give like 50% of the money to charity, though, just to ease people's hearts and minds.

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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: RandalFlagg]
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RandalFlagg said:
Ancalagon said:
Why should it ever be okay if it's not okay now? If exploiting a horrible tragedy is disgraceful in 2005 I see no reason for it to not be disgraceful in 2025 or 2100 or 3000. To me, at least, it is wholly based on how the event is treated.


Because as time goes by, painful feelings about some memory tend to fade usually. There is a "grace" period where I do not like to be reminded of a tragedy. For example, I can talk about my father's death now, but for several years after it happened I did not want to talk about it.


Rather subjective though isn't it? Just because the black guy down the street thinks enough time has passed since slavery to make light of it doesn't mean the guy next door feels similarly. What if someone who lost a loved one in September 11th is okay with whatever political grandstanding Oliver Stone might do in such a movie?


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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: Ancalagon]
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Ancalagon said:
Rather subjective though isn't it?



Yes, it is.

Ancalagon said:
What if someone who lost a loved one in September 11th is okay with whatever political grandstanding Oliver Stone might do in such a movie?


Admittedly, a 9/11 widow's opinion is more important than mine on this subject. This whole thing still leaves a bad taste in my mouth though.

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Re: Vultures use 9/11 as entertainment [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Everybody start counting how many holocaust movies have been made in the past 50 years. The nerve!


Oliver Stone + Nicolas Cage + 9/11 = shitty movie produced to buy Stone a new house and masturbate his inflated ego


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