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InvisibleRandalFlagg
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Terrorism as entertainment
    #3591907 - 01/07/05 02:12 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not sure if this belongs in the political forum or not. Mods-Go ahead and move it if you think it doesn't belong here.

Is anybody else dismayed when you see Sept. 11 or terrorism references in popular culture(movies, TV shows, etc..)? I see it all of the time. I see Sept. 11 mentioned in movies or TV shows, I see television shows based upon anti-terrorist investigators, and I see made-for-TV movies based upon terrorist attacks against America by Muslims. I think this is all distasteful. I don't think it is right to use a tragedy that is still so fresh in the minds of many as inspiration for entertainment. It just seems disgusting to me.


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3591915 - 01/07/05 02:15 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Tell that to the CIA.
It is very distasteful, but the American public eats that kinda shit right up. Fear ------> consumption. :shrug:


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3592266 - 01/07/05 04:32 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

There have always been TV shows that feature terrorism, but there has been a massive increase in terrorists featuring in show plots.

There is even a cheesy drama series starting in Sky One about the lives of firefighters that survived 911, I find such exploitation quite distasteful.


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: psilomonkey]
    #3592382 - 01/07/05 05:09 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

i agree that this sort of entertainment is distastefull but unless enough people kick up a fuss nothing much will be done i guess.

i suppose it wouldnt be so bad if the profits or proceeds from such entertainment went into helping survivors of such attacks?


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3592435 - 01/07/05 05:55 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

How is that any different from capitalising on the greenhouse effect ("The Day after Tomorrow" comes to mind) or on wars fought in the past or present ("Saving Private Ryan", "Pearl Harbour", etc)? How is that in fact different from turning ANY real life event into a movie? Controversy is a big part of the entertainment industry, and every industry is based on revenues.


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3592640 - 01/07/05 07:57 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

How would you feel about dramatisation/references to the bombing of Bagdhad and the war in Iraq in general?


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: GazzBut]
    #3592675 - 01/07/05 08:13 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

to be honest alan stone, all the survivors of the disasters/wars you mentioned are probably long dead so you wouldn't necessarily be hurting an survivors feelings or relatives of dead persons.

i think the issue here is that its so soon after and its a soar topic especially for those that were involved/effected by it.


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: JacquesSauniere]
    #3592684 - 01/07/05 08:17 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Media is tasteless...notice how all the news crews arrived first in Asia but forgot to take any aid with them?


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: GazzBut]
    #3592733 - 01/07/05 09:22 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

well i think in part it depends on audience or target audience, i dont suppose most red neck, unemployed, pikey americans who live in central states care too much to see the atrocities carried on baghdad and its people,

i make reference to the red necks as its these people who probably have enough time to watch daytime drama series, or basically any kind of crap on tv that the media wants to spew out.


Edited by JacquesSauniere (01/07/05 09:28 AM)


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: GazzBut]
    #3592934 - 01/07/05 10:41 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

> notice how all the news crews arrived first in Asia but forgot to take any aid with them?

And yet without them telling the rest of us how bad it really was there would be very little aid at all...


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: Seuss]
    #3593107 - 01/07/05 11:56 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I've never seen any movies or fictional TV shows that make any reference to 9/11, but maybe that's just cuz i live in france and our media here is a bit less tasteless. i saw a talkshow yesterday that was talking about the US fox show "Who's your daddy". now that is some crazy stuff you'll never see in france, it made me wanta barf. everyone was booing in the studio after they showed extracts of the show.


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: JacquesSauniere]
    #3593191 - 01/07/05 12:23 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

i think the issue here is that its so soon after and its a soar topic especially for those that were involved/effected by it.




This is the first thing that came up when I googled "war Iraq movie". Turns out they're making a movie about the battle for Fallujah and one about the first Gulf War. A satire, no less !


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: Seuss]
    #3593312 - 01/07/05 01:01 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

And yet without them telling the rest of us how bad it really was there would be very little aid at all...




maybe..


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3593468 - 01/07/05 01:58 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

emmanuel goldstein...


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: JacquesSauniere]
    #3593719 - 01/07/05 03:15 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

JacquesSauniere said:
to be honest alan stone, all the survivors of the disasters/wars you mentioned are probably long dead so you wouldn't necessarily be hurting an survivors feelings or relatives of dead persons.




WWII? nope, there's many vets still alive (if you call "drinking yourself into a stupor almost daily" living). and how about Korea? Vietnam?


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: Alan Stone]
    #3593825 - 01/07/05 03:45 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)


How is that any different from capitalising on the greenhouse effect ("The Day after Tomorrow" comes to mind)

The Sept. 11 attacks were much more visceral, direct, and horrifying than the concept of global warming.


or on wars fought in the past or present ("Saving Private Ryan", "Pearl Harbour", etc)? How is that in fact different from turning ANY real life event into a movie?

It is true that the entertainment industry uses tragedy as inspiration. I think that they should wait on Sept. 11 for at least 15 years before they use it. It is still too much of a fresh and raw wound in the American psyche.


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: GazzBut]
    #3593851 - 01/07/05 03:49 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)


How would you feel about dramatisation/references to the bombing of Bagdhad and the war in Iraq in general?

I don't like them. Thousands of Iraqis have died. That fact should not be used for entertainment. Much like Sept. 11, I think the entertainment industry should wait a long time before they use Iraq for material. They should realize that these events are real and real people have died. To recreate or reference these events(no matter how respectful they try to be) so soon is distasteful.


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3593977 - 01/07/05 04:17 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Coming soon to CBS: "Tsunami!" The dramatic 4-part miniseries based on real events.


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: ]
    #3594021 - 01/07/05 04:27 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Anyone notice how FOX airs True Lies now every other sunday?


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Re: Terrorism as entertainment [Re: GazzBut]
    #3594651 - 01/07/05 06:44 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

GazzBut said:
Media is tasteless...notice how all the news crews arrived first in Asia but forgot to take any aid with them?




I'm not saying it wouldn't be great if they helped but I know I've heard reporters explaining themselves on this. They see it as their job to report and are usually proud to be doing so. Many reporters cann't take it emotionally. They are not releif organizations and they see far, far more than they can ever help, so they leave the world as they see it.


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