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Leaving the cult forums, see you guys.
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I don't feel like I could put this thread on another forum. At least 115 of my posts were in here. I learned a lot, but have just stopped everything... I just sent a killer message to somebody elsewhere in my life when I was asked about why I stopped growing my one or two cakes, and why I just stopped being a pothead and smoking so much. They wondered my religious views... I gave them the following. I mean, don't read it - I warn you. I just didn't want one person to see it - I just wanted to throw it out there. I'm so confused but, I know drugs are bad and I'm stepping away from them for good. Thank you all for being badass and seriously check out #cultivation channel on irc.shroomery.org if you use mIRC it rocks and you learn so much.

Here is the message that sums up my departure:
I don't do drugs anymore. I am about to vanish from shroomery and grow up - if you learn anything from life - learn this. Drugs are connected to religion. In the same way religion is connected to body. If religion exists, then religion made our body. If religion does indeed exist, then religion also made drugs. Chemicals. And everything's part of a hierarchy. A tree with subcatagories. Family linage, animal species and plant kindoms\phylums. Yeah it's how we portrayed them, but that's what they are. You have time. Time's a huge heirarchy. Choices, things spawning, coming from. When you have one cell, it can turn into two cells. One cell is the basic form of life. What came before it? We don't know because it's the top of the heirarchy. We can't get any more basic - somebody made a cell at least once. Anyway, that's the top of the heirarchy though - that's where it started. How did human get here? The missing link? That's the start of a heirarchy. Who created drugs, and chemicals? Dude I realized that I should wake up. There's a book about all of these missing links and things (this is all shit I thought of over the course of three years tripping and kind of feel like I believe about religion and drugs, though I'm sober these days) and it just tells what you do to live a happy life. It says that God made drugs but that you shouldn't do them. Think about the story at the start of the bible. The tree man, garden of eden. Drugs are the forbidden fruit. Psilocybin, THC, mushrooms, mariguana, that's forbidden fruit. Eating it will cause too much knowledge you feel ashamed about things. The Matrix. You've seen that movie, I'm sure. Think about this - it's a religious movie. Trinity, Neo, Zion? Well when Morpheus offered Neo the pill, red or blue, one was back to normal, nothing ever happened but he'd never know it. One was mind expansion knowing how things were and understanding. He took the pill that woke him up from the fake matrix world and found shit all too real. He found himself in the middle of a war for mankind - aka a religious war. That one guy was even trying to bargain with agent smith... trying to kill somebody just to go back to normal - forget the matrix existed and live happily in it. Ignorance is bliss, he said. Tripping is 100% experience, you feel years older after you trip, you gain insight. It's forbidden fruit. Definately a sin. If you do all your shit right and follow the bible, I feel like your plans will all work out. Drugs are a sin but they're also a call to religion. There's a movie called The Hitchiker's Guide to the Galaxy - it was a book first. It's the best story ever and was created by god. Douglas Adams has tripped before and wrote a book about religion. The point of the movie or book is that the universe is asking a computer "the answer to life, the universe, and everything" and it spits out the answer 42. Meanwhile, there's this book about like 'follow this book and listen to it's advice to get through any situation in the galaxy' and acting as a reference for the universe itself. Anyway at the end of the movie they get to start off as the only two humans remaining, and they're in love. When people see apparitions and are called to the Catholic faith by apparitions of the Virgin Mary? Lifechanging event where the person had a nightmare vision and talked with god. And this happened in central mexico next to a waterfall where there was enough mist to make a rainbow? There were shrooms there. They understood religion. Maybe I'm going overboard. I'm still a little confused about the whole thing, but drugs are bad and I haven't even smoked pot in like a week - don't plan on ever doing it again. Peace out man, if that rant makes any sense.

Night guys. <3


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"A delightful, wholesome experience for the family." - Desson Thomson, THE WASHINGTON POST

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5481456

omfg~dutch!

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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: doubledutch]
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It doesnt make much sense as a whole. Parts of it make sense though. Your sort of saying your going to "grow up" by avoiding something that you feel, "causes too much knowlege", a statement that to say the least, deserves a better explanation than this short paragraph. You say shrooms were always bad even if you, by doing drugs, were having fun or gaining knowlede and perspective at some point in your life. Im shure you know what you are talking about, but the post is a mess of paradoxes and unecessary qualifiers.
I too am a totally sober guy who used to take alot of hallucinogens and smoked alot of pot.
I think I might sort of know where you comeing from though. But you need to make more sense and be less confused before you say drugs are "bad". You do sound like you need to do a little growing up. This paragraph of yours is far from being able to convince anyone that ingesting drugs is a sin.

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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: doubledutch]
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Sounds like the after effects of a large dose shroom trip...
like the one that I had about 3 years ago.

I took 11 dry grams of Cambodians...that were grown on poo and were hella potent.

I had a very Spiritual Experience...and also had one of the scariest trips that I have ever had in my life that night.

After that night I didn't think that I needed to do any more drugs again...
and I didn't for about 6 months.

I no longer do large doses of shrooms...I just stick to 5 dry grams and have a good time.
And I still smoke a little herb now and then.  :smirk:

I saw alot of things about myself on that large dose night that I didn't like about my life...and I have made some changes in my life for the better.
Personality wise, Family wise, Relationship wise, and other charactor defects of mine that I really needed to change.
They call this the Ego Loss!~

But I don't push my morality or spirituality onto others.
I don't like to talk about these kind of things....they are personal.
I think everyone has a right to their own beliefs.

With that said...
Good luck to you doubledutch!~
I hope you have a wonderful life.

BUT...
Don't go saying that Drugs are the forbidden fruit...
from the Tree of Life.
I've read the Bible several times front to back.
I suggest not eating any fruit from any trees might serve you better.

:smirk:


tc


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Laterz, Road

Who the hell you callin crazy?
You wouldn't know what crazy was if Charles Manson was eating froot loops on your front porch!

Brainiac said:
PM the names with on there names, that means they have mushrooms for sale.


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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: doubledutch]
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so what you're saying is basically this:

you don't like what drugs have shown you and you want the ignorance back?

"ignorance is bliss"- sure i agree with that.


but you can't make progress by ignoring what you don't want to know. life is progress. this is the quest for all. you can't deny it. stop retreating to your mother's womb.

life is pure energy/being experiencing itself in all possible ways. b/c energy gets 'bored' so to speak. and so will you.


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need that cash to feed them jones.

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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: Roadkill]
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yea... sounds like someone tripped a little to hard...

Good luck.. as well, I'm cleaning up myself, but I love growing shrooms, it's a fun hobby. peace!!

Happy Halloween!!
-Cray


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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: Cray]
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well i still love tripping and i still smoke pot..suppose i will till the day i die...sorry but im not anti religous and i dont think what i do is a sin,i constantly help others out and im rasing my 2 boys to be men ,life is what you make of it,drugs are just some enjoyment and relaxation for me..good luck mang...may you find what your searching for , i know i did 11 yrears ago when i married my wife :cool:

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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: Cray]
    #4874059 -

i guarantee you,if there is a big guy up there watching,hes probably gonna drop a hurricane or something in this guys neighborhood just to remind him whos boss!oh well,the suns out my kids are playing,i get high and find beauty in all things AND i'm an atheist-go figure!oh well this aint the place for this.....


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"the supermarket of ideas,like any supermarket,is fit only for looting."

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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: doubledutch]
    #4874134 -

lol I didnt even read it all but I can tell your alrdy correct... Nice that you came to the conclusion that was right at least... The Drugs will only cloud the correctness of all your thought patterns but that isn't going to stop me good luck. There is very little magic in tripping.

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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: Roadkill]
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thank you RK, always wondered what EGO loss was. Definite-ly- having it happen.

As for the original poster, go sober, its the best way to think str8 in my opinion if drugs are clouding your mind.

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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: finding_self]
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Yay for finding Jebus!!

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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: doubledutch]
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I would agree that psychedelic mushrooms are connected to religion, but mushrooms being charged as SINFUL?!! I do NOT agree.

They are also known as entheogens, meaning "they cause one to be in God" (Greek translation). And by no means just a Christian God. There is some very intriguing evidence that many early religions used them during practice, including early Christian & non-Christian gnostics.

Both the Psilocybe & Amanita Muscaria mushrooms were sacraments used to gain "gnosis" or "knowledge" of oneself & God .The Romans (emperor Constantine)  removed  gnostic texts from the Bible we know today, during the The Council of Nicea in 325 AD and slaughtered the gnostic Christians. Constantine could not tolerate believers finding God through oneself outside of a structured and edited monotheistic religion of his own creation. With them went Christianity's closest ties to pharmacological teaching and enlightenment.

A quick word on this forbidden fruit thing:
The gnostic Christians, who preceed  the Roman Catholics, do not perceive  the serpent in the Adam and Eve story as the Devil, but rather Sophia (The "Mother Spirit", from which Jesus himself was born -"Sophos"- Greek for "wisdom") that appears and offers the fruit to Eve so that she and Adam could attain "gnosis" or a knowledge that Yahweh the creator God from the Old Testament, is a bloodthirsty lessor God who rules over Man & Woman on Earth. He is known as the Demiurge, the "craftsman" or shaper, not the creator. Some people believe that the Amanita Muscaria was indeed the later named "forbidden fruit", however, in this gnostic belief, this is seen as an awakening to the hidden "spark" of the True creator God in all of us, higher than that of Yahweh, that encompasses the entirety of creation and remains unseen. This awakening was seen in a positive light in their belief system.

You cannot read today's Bible and draw conclusions so easily.

A leading ethnomycologist, James Arthur, has done facinating research into this very topic and I would start with him. Then you may want to read up the gnostic Christians.

In all honesty  theres not a person on the planet who could tell you for sure what they are and who put them here.

*the original poster has clarified himself, so I've toned this back a tad. To the original poster: Hope you find your own comfortable use of mushrooms in the future or if you decide to stop using them, no hard feelings, Good Luck :smile:*

Ozshroomer28

Edited by Ozshroomer28 (11/02/05 06:38 AM)

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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: Ozshroomer28]
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well just 1 more note on that good reading though..on the post kinda makes me feel dumb now cause i don't think i could type such a post in a manner that your guys have.. heyf eel what you want but god who ever put plant on the earth for us to use ...if we abuse we pay the price..we all know that..

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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: djred]
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Your taking the assumtion that there actually is a god!!! You have to listen to Salmon of doubt, by Douglas Adams(audio book)

DOUGLAS ADAMS was an aithiest, infact he states that that is an understatemen. He 110% unequivicably didn't belive in god! He believed in evolution! There are some great audio books read by him out there namely ,salmon of doubt(his unfinnished work), this will tell you what he believed. The movie was nothing like the book! Well half of it was, but then it veired off the story line. I think this is because Douglas unfortunately died half way through filming. He died of a heart attack at the age of 49 while at the gym. Why'd you have to go to the gym that day??? Oh well R.I.P. Doug, the world has lost a true genius and my stories remain unfinnished for ever.................. You also need to read: Origin of species, by Charles Darwin.Before continuing. Give yourself some perspective on life. Douglas himself even disproves the existence of god with the babel fish,Hehe

Also, everybody here needs to either read or listen to Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy, Resturaunt at the end of the universe, Life the universe and everything, So long and thanks for all the fish, Mostly harmless, starship titanic, dirk gentries holistic detective agency, Salmon of doubt(unfinnished),Hitchhikers guide to the future, and absolutely anything else done by him, you won't regret it.

P.S. If anyone has the full copy of Hitchhikers guide to the future, please PM me.

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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: naja]
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I wouldn't recommend trying to impose these views on people man. Especially not when they have a tune of religious fascism to them. These beliefs may work for you - for which im happy. Yet, I find it to be rather drastic to give such opinionated claims and encourage people to follow suit. There is an Aldous Huxley quote which says that there is only one corner of the universe that you can positively and be 100% able to change - and that is yourself. The imposition of faiths and beliefs lead to fanatics - political, social, or religious and ultimately conflict. To base your opinions on a book which is mainly literature, is by no means a solid base for argument. Sure, the Bible is full of excellent teachings but is by no means to be taken literally if not metaphorically. Entheogens ARE the foundation of religion and agriculture. Agriculture originated once tribes began to conglomerate as religious clans, marking the beginning of civilisation; as the need for organisation of farming and crops became essential to feed these primitive 'towns'. This unity of human beings was caused by the foundation of organised religion, which originated from similar tribes sharing views with the shaman being the effective leader. Unions formed diplomatically between these religious people. (plus it was also seen as a rite to power and influence over large numbers of people by the shamans). We can solidly say that Shamans' beliefs were based on local folklore, yet mainly on entheogenic experiences although some were triggered by musically induced trances. We all still know that abuse of many substances not just drugs can affect us badly. Eating too many Maccy D's can give us heart conditions and cholesterol. Hell, there must be alot of forbidden fruits on our planet today.


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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: doubledutch]
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hmmmmm... alot of conflict... something deeper is going on. you're probably much better off.

good luck in life.

peace

cateyes

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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: cateyes]
    #4874872 -

If you do all your shit right and follow the bible, I feel like your plans will all work out.


^^^^^^^ good luck i hope it works out for you. ^^^^^^^


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turn off your mind relax and float downstream

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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: TrippingDuality]
    #4874936 -

so long and goodbye :wink:



thats too much religious stuff for me even to opinionate on right now.


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Back from the dead................Only this time not mentioning anything about myself.

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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: UnsolvedX]
    #4874980 -

i think the problem is when people use drugs and problems come into their life they blame the drugs first before thinking about the actual root of the problem.

And i really feel the hypocritical statement of drugs bringing enlightenment while being a sin at the same time destroy's any hope you have of convincing anyone with your argument.

Good luck with everything, but id really look to other sources to find a solution to your problem.


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To get really high is to forget yourself. And to forget yourself is to see everything else. And to see everything else is to become an understanding molecule in evolution, a conscious tool of the universe. And I think every human being should be a conscious tool of the universe. . . .

-JG

i really am glad you came back to us instead of taking the other path. *hug*

-A_S (RIP your final words to me will never be forgotten)



Don't fuck with the laughing jesus.

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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: coda]
    #4875169 -

Yeah, I know - I'm just confused. And I called it cult because I was referring to the cultivation forums. This is probably my last post though. I'm not really trying to convince anybody of anything - feedback on everything I have been confused about was a more real goal by posting this thread. Cheers to all. Happy Halloween!


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"A delightful, wholesome experience for the family." - Desson Thomson, THE WASHINGTON POST

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...rue#Post5481456

omfg~dutch!

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Re: Leaving the cult forums, see you guys. [Re: doubledutch]
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Well...assuming there is a God, and that God created everything, it stands to reason that God created mushrooms, and intended mushrooms to do what they do...meaning, you'll never get closer to God than you could by eating mushrooms.

And if the Bible is the cause of your newfound thought process, are you just choosing to ignore the lengthy passages that contradict themselves? An example being, you are morally obligated to stone to death any man with long hair...seen a picture of Jesus lately? '

I just don't think it makes sense how people just pick and choose aspects of religions to follow, as if you could feasibly do that. If you believe in one part of the bible, you have to believe it all, otherwise you're admitting the fallibility of the text, in which case you have no argument for support of any of it, it's just opinion.

But that's just my opinion, hopefully you find inner peace (and stop acting like there's profound meaning in the Matrix).


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No question is so difficult to answer as that to which the answer is obvious.

Meow.

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