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Invisibledr_gonz
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Racism - only for the completely ignorant?
    #4516308 - 08/10/05 12:14 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I truly cannot understand how people can be so blatantly full of hatred. Why can't people coexist with one another. Where does all the hatred come from? So much of it is just passed down from the parents... This has always completely baffled me.

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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4516324 - 08/10/05 12:16 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Why are you even asking this, are you a racist?


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Invisibledr_gonz
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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: looner2]
    #4516346 - 08/10/05 12:18 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I'm far from racist man. I have friends of all different ethnicitys. I'll give anyone a chance.

I just don't understand how someone could dedicate a whole life towards hatred, all over a skin tone???


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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4516349 - 08/10/05 12:19 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I've always thought prejudice against the prejudice was hypocritical.

You judge someone simply because of one belief they hold? You should have more love and tolerance for fellow humans than to judge them simply because they have built-in emotions towards humans they don't know well (or know too well in some cases).


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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: Ravus]
    #4516356 - 08/10/05 12:21 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Ravus said:
I've always thought prejudice against the prejudice was hypocritical.

You judge someone simply because of one belief they hold? You should have more love and tolerance for fellow humans than to judge them simply because they have built-in emotions towards humans they don't know well (or know too well in some cases).




That didn't make sense man. I'm not prejudice towards the prejudice. I just want to analyze it as a whole, and try to understand why it is what it is.


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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4516370 - 08/10/05 12:25 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)


I'm far from racist man. I have friends of all different ethnicitys. I'll give anyone a chance.

I just don't understand how someone could dedicate a whole life towards hatred, all over a skin tone???


The standard rebuttal. Of course you have friends that are black.

But seriously, the word racism holds no meaning. Everyone wants to be the least racist. It is almost a game. Just watch. Ravus will be called a racist for not throwing fiery hatred towards racism.


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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: looner2]
    #4516382 - 08/10/05 12:27 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Looner - this is truly not the intention of this thread. I want to understand why people act so strongly towards the preprogrammed emotion - hate. I really don't think most people understand why they actually hate. They just do it because it's what they were taught.


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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4516395 - 08/10/05 12:27 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

You say that racism is for completely ignorant people who are full of hatred, and then say you're not prejudice towards them?

There are plenty of educated, calm people out there who are still blatantly racist. Much of the time, it simply starts out as having pride in who you are, including your race, which is natural, and then evolves to you having enough pride in your race to the point of looking down on others who don't fit what you're proud of, which is also fairly natural.

Some people will have so much pride in their race and who they are that they'll fight against other races who try to breed with or take resources from that person's race. It can be reduced to simple protection, almost as if one was protecting one's country against intruders.


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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: Ravus]
    #4516410 - 08/10/05 12:30 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks Ravus, that's the kind of response I'm looking for. I just want to hear different people's justification.


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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4516763 - 08/10/05 01:50 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I think that racism is completely natural. Appearance is the first thing that we judge a person on, whether it's the way they dress, or their hair-do, or the color of their skin. If someone says that they don't make automatic judgements based on a persons appearance, no matter how subtle or minute, they are full of shit.

But what makes a person prejudiced or racist in a negative way is if they don't give people respect because of those judgements. I'll say it straight up; I'm racist. But if I meet a black person who is respectful and polite then I'll treat them the same way back. And it goes for anyone really. But I can't tell you how many blacks I run into who give me nothing but attitude and disrespect! And to them, I say "fuck 'em". Quite being a fucking victim and make things happen for yourself!

But prejudice will exist in some form or another no matter what. As long as we divide ourselves into separate social groups, even into families or lineages, there will be difference and discrimination.

I also think that most of these politically correct dickweeds are just as ignorant as the skinheads! and it's because of that hypocrisy that Ravus mentioned.

As for people in actual "hate groups"? these are an entirely different breed of people. Just the same as the moron vegans who refuse to eat butter on their toast and protest any stupid thing that they can (like when they put a Starbucks in the library of our school they protested against corperate ubiquity for like a week and then gave up). These people just want to feel like they are a part of something important. And they give people who really do care about issues like corperate imperialism, animal rights, and the preservation of European culture and identity a bad name. Fuck those people.

I don't mean to start arguments, but I'm sure I pissed someone off.

just my $0.02


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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: dr0mni]
    #4516807 - 08/10/05 02:17 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Learned association. When one encounters n amount of bad experiences with a group of people, one make an assumption that the whole group will do just as their bad counterpart.

Doesn't have to be a race, can be the cloth they wear, their age, what language they speak.

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I'll say it straight up; I'm racist. But if I meet a black person who is respectful and polite then I'll treat them the same way back.




Fuck yeah. I've also met a lot of white people that are trash, too though, every race has their bad seed.


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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: Fospher]
    #4516926 - 08/10/05 03:29 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I think 'races' do exist; a race is a group of people that share certian characteristics.

But, even humans within a certian race appear so vastly different to one another that it seems irrational to assume that experience with mexican-1 will equal experience with mexican-n. Sounds cliche, but no two people are the same. They may be similar, but they are not limited to their race.

To me, 'Racism' is making a priori statements about an entire group of people based on limited experiences with some of them. Prejudice is a conjecture. It is based of evidence from mexican-1 which is not relavent to mexican-2.

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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #4516930 - 08/10/05 03:31 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm....
"Prejudice is a conjecture" is self-referential.  :frown: Sounded good though.


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Edited by MushmanTheManic (08/10/05 04:42 AM)


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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #4517274 - 08/10/05 08:50 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

All racism stems from fear in my opinion. I'm sure the KKK won't admit that, but its what I believe. People are just afraid of whats different.


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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4517309 - 08/10/05 09:19 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

Ignorance and hate arrises often from stress and overloaded minds who have no time for reflection of their ideas anymore.
In work, I am often overpushed with work and my mood goes straight into the cellars, my spiritual mind gets more narrow and more narrow, so that even the slightest inconvenience or problem can bring me to explosion (not often, but I fear that this will get more even I try to prevent).
It's simply the unknown, the difference, which hits a unprepared or unopen mind.


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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: dr_gonz]
    #4517379 - 08/10/05 10:28 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I bet 90% of the racists are parent influenced, the other 10% peer influenced who mopst likely get their racist views from parents also.


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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: barfightlard]
    #4517393 - 08/10/05 10:35 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)




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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: barfightlard]
    #4517409 - 08/10/05 10:42 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

I bet 90% of the racists are parent influenced, the other 10% peer influenced who mopst likely get their racist views from parents also.

I am Caucasian and have been the victim of serious crime about ten times in my life. Three times the perpetrator was unknown; the other seven were all African American. Should this not have some influence on my outlook?


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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: Swami]
    #4517436 - 08/10/05 10:59 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

That depends on how deeply you look into the issue. It certainly could influence your outlook. But if you looked into the reasons why blacks seem to be involved in so much crime, you might find some understanding of the situation that would preclude a racist conclusion.

I myself used to be the target of black gangs in my youth. I took many beatings. I now believe I would have acted much the same as they did if I had grown up in the circumstances they did in my city. They lived in a getto, they were hated and feared by most whites and had a history of being taken advantage of and degraded. They were just finding some power agaist the white race that had enslaved them first physically and then ecomnomically and educationally. This is just my take on it, and I do not excuse their behavior, I just understand it.


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Re: Racism - only for the completely ignorant? [Re: Swami]
    #4517450 - 08/10/05 11:07 AM (11 years, 3 months ago)

It would change, well more like make me question my outlook, but I would have to look at all the factors in the crimes commited upon me. btw what does this have to do with my post?


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