niteowl said:

5
for
you

I was in the Army and they DO NOT TOLERATE disrespect to a civilian.
When you're in public and in uniform you are to treat a civilian with the same respect you would an officer.
Never disgrace the uniform

His ass chewing will be monumental.....
especially if his fellow recruiters back your story.

I'm sure he wont be a recruiter much longer.

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downforpot said:

What did you do in special ops?

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cb9fl said:

If that army guy isn't just blowing you off then I certainly have a new found respect for at least one part of the military. People that take our rights so seriously deserve a great deal of respect.

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myndreach said:

Ummm...actually under the No Child Left Behind program, all public schools give every high school student's address, name, and phone number to all local military recruiting centers. Yes, sometimes recruiters DO go door to door. Yes, they DO do cold calls to high schoolers. Yes, they DO set up recruitment centers at high schools.

Get the facts straight.

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(a) POLICY-

(1) ACCESS TO STUDENT RECRUITING INFORMATION- Notwithstanding section 444(a)(5)(B) of the General Education Provisions Act and except as provided in paragraph (2), each local educational agency receiving assistance under this Act shall provide, on a request made by military recruiters or an institution of higher education, access to secondary school students names, addresses, and telephone listings.

Bush's "no child left behind act" well, at least it means what it says.
http://www.rcnv.org/counterrecruit/optout/
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ideas_opinions/story/332168p-283828c.html

at least "no child left behind" is a fitting double entendre.

Hate Bush, love him, hate the war or fuck it... it's all there in plain text. Even if you are in favor of a militaristic society, this is deception and trickery that, honestly, should indeed call for someone losing their jobs.

You know if they were upfront with this act, if they told you that it would MANDATORALLY give your child's information to recruiters unless you go through motions to do otherwise, I seriously doubt it would have been passed.

Fucking politicians.

i'm ambivalent as to the situation of army recruiters, granted people have "free will" to "say no" but these guys can be all to persuasive.... I mean it would be kind of like if you see a kid trying to score LSD, and you sell him heroin telling him it has an even better spiritual potential. They seem to take indecisive kids who have been battled with pressure for too long and "seal the deal" in any way possible.

I guess it all lies in their intent... whether they are doing it for money, greed, etc... or if they actually believe what they are selling... but it just bothers me to see the vulernable, young, impressionable, and perhaps somewhat naive be preyed upon.... especially if they aren't even 18 yet.

Where is the line drawn? I mean, coercion is a powerful thing... I'm sure every one of us could coerce six year olds into joining the army, and get them to sign a signature without being fully honest to them about what they are comitting to. High school kids often aren't ready to make those kinds of decisions as they are very confused about what to do with their lives... the army decides to take the opportunity to seize them up without them really knowing what to do.

It's a tough issue. We need recruits, but we don't need them to be gullible people, violent people, uneducated people, naive people, etc.

My friend got sucked up into the army, what I'm guessing to be a kind of "last resort" thing... he says he wants to be allowed to legally murder people. He's a multiple felon, never been cought. Did all sorts of drugs... psychologically unsound.... and he made it through the army's psychological evaluation... he was even targetted specifically (i assume based upon incidents) for further evaluation and is still going to end up in Iraq... and has failed multiple tests.

When he said he wanted to be in combat he told me his recruiter was very happy with him and encouraged the killing of arabs [using the obvious slurs]. (i don't want to put the direct quote of what he said the recruiter said here for privacy reasons)

This is not the kind of recruitment we need....

At least in the case of my friend.

He may be exaggerating but just based upon all the things he's claimed to have done.... if even half of them are true, he's not the kind of guy that should be given reasons to kill. Furthermore he seems to hate America and all the brainwashing they give him...... he just seems to be going along for the ride.

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We need recruits, but we don't need them to be gullible people, violent people, uneducated people, naive people, etc.

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WhiteRabbitt said:

You don't see the recruiter in the kid's house, egging him on to join the military, do you?

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downforpot said:

I never got anything from the recruiter unless I requested it. I went to a private high school though...

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Baby_Hitler said:

The job description of a millitary recruiter consists of 3 words:


Lying to children

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Baby_Hitler said:

Is there a Millitary "Do not call" list?


Can you block the millitary from spamming you and/or your children?

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looner2 said:

If everyone stopped by the recruiting station and gave a little, "pssst, don't do it", then maybe pacifism would really take hold in this world and everlasting peace can be a reality!

I love pro-active ideas!

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This is true. So c'mon everyone...join up and give a PSST! to a recruiting station. Post your stories here.

Are you all ready to put action where your words are? I'll do it every chance I get, as long as my son is not with me. I don't want to put him in that position again.

By the way, I suggest you all go out and read Thoreau's Resistance to Civil Government. You may find it titled Civil Disobedience. It's a short book/essay. On normal print it is probably only about 50 pages, so it's a quick and easy read.

This wasn't Thoreau's title for his essay, but somewhere along the line it got re-titled Civil Disobedience, and the name stuck. Strangely, probably 95% of copies you find of it will be titled Civil Disobedience.

The book was a cornerstone to the inpiration and methodology for M.K.Gandhi and M.L.K.Jr, and probably the first and most important piece of pacifist American literature.