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Protesters chase away military recruiters
#4117814 - 05/01/05 05:17 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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http://www.gnn.tv/H01303
On January 20, 2005, several hundred students at Seattle Central Community College chased army recruiters from their spot in the Student center. On February 23, campus police arrested a woman student during a picket in front of the military?s recruitment table at a job fair at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. A couple days before that, several dozen students chased military recruiters off campus at Southern Connecticut State University (SCSU). In September 2004, more than a hundred students protested the presence of military recruiters at the University of Pennsylvania. On February 22, 2005 several dozen students picketed recruiters at the University of Illinois campus in Chicago. At the USC Law School, recruiters were met with pickets and leafleters demanding that they leave, and at UC Berkeley, a couple dozen students protested the presence of a military recruiter table there. These are but a few of the dozens of protests that have taken place.
Nothing is wrong with protests....but chasing recruiters away? That is ridiculous in my opinion.
Most people would probably think that there are only two sides to this conflict (pro-war and anti-war) and I don't really fit into either. I disagree with the U.S. military's presence in Iraq, but at the same time I realize that the recruiters were doing their jobs and I don't think they should have been chased off. Could you imagine the uproar if the recruiters chased protesters away?
Why is higher education so infected with rampant and excessive Leftism?
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: RandalFlagg]
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because people in institutions of higher education are more intelligent and or harder working than average people of their age: hence they are liberal
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: RandalFlagg]
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I think that the military should pull a "kent state" and get back at those pussy liberals.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: SoopaX]
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You think that the Military should have its youngest soldiers shoot blindly into a crowd, miss and kill several of Americas' children that were simply coming to and from class and not involved in any protest?
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: YidakiMan]
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I went to the University of MD, Baltimoer County (UMBC). The Campus was designed and built in the 60's to specifically contain a riot or protest... its kinda creepy
The army recruiters shudda just busted out the m16's and unloaded
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: YidakiMan]
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The more I hear it the better it sounds!
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: RandalFlagg]
#4118446 - 05/01/05 11:26 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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As long as it didn't get violent, I'm cool with it. Dealing with recruiters at school is the worst. On most campuses, these guys would have better luck coverting people to Zoroastrianism. And for those people that have even the slightest bit of interest, there are more than enough ways to get information and sign up.
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RandalFlagg said: Why is higher education so infected with rampant and excessive Leftism?
Well... come on, man, all the yoga, tofu and weed has expanded our minds. Dig it.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: question_for_joo]
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question_for_joo said: because people in institutions of higher education are more intelligent and or harder working than average people of their age: hence they are liberal
HAHAHAHA that's a good joke.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Youth naturally fear constriction/oppression, as well as imposed morality... look to the idealogies supporting by what is deemed the "left" and the "right" and you have your answer.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: question_for_joo]
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question_for_joo said: because people in institutions of higher education are more intelligent and or harder working than average people of their age: hence they are liberal
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: wandrnshaman]
#4118929 - 05/01/05 02:08 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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wandrnshaman said: That's a very interesting article. It's entitled 'Lies Military Recruiters Tell'.
It's chills me to see that recruiters can find support amoung the young members here at the Shroomery.
It's not necessarily support, but it is recognition that they should be able to do their jobs without being hassled, harassed, and threatened.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: RandalFlagg]
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I ran a google search for any news reports pertaining to this supposed violent act of "chasing" - I could not find any mention of it other than the article you linked to (the article itself or variations were found on many different sites) and a small caption by the AP. Before denouncing something and getting all angry, make sure that this did in fact happen (or at least exactly how it happened - details).
I can see how picketing and a loud demonstration around a recruitment table would led such recruiters to pack up and walk away/be escorted out. I can see how this could be considered being "chased away."
I think if some giant mob action occurred where the recruiters where fleeing for their safety, there would be at least one media report - and you know the right-wing media outlets would have a field day with it. Can you find any article that describes anything remotely like that? I could not - this leads me to believe that whatever happened was innocuous and a description of "chased away" was just bad wording.
try not to hype things.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: SoopaX]
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SoopaX said: I think that the military should pull a "kent state" and get back at those pussy liberals.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: RandalFlagg]
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wandrnshaman said: That's a very interesting article. It's entitled 'Lies Military Recruiters Tell'.
I went to a private school, attended college during HS and will be attending college almost free due to scholarships in fall. I am pro war so I guess your statement doesn't represent every person in higher education. Maybe I'm just an evil bastard who plays doom too much.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Vvellum]
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Don't you just love the maturity in here?
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Redstorm]
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Redstorm said: Don't you just love the maturity in here?
Yea. It makes me hard.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: RandalFlagg]
#4119342 - 05/01/05 04:02 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why is higher education so infected with rampant and excessive Leftism?
Because they don't work and/or have cushy, high-paying tenured positions. Contrary to popular belief, it is not the underprivileged and minorities who are the driving force behind liberalism, it tends to be the manhattans and malibus of the country and the well-off college kids/professors.
People have been told otherwise for decades and thats why they are shocked that middle america votes republican and surprised to see liberal-bias on college campuses.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Vvellum]
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bi0 said: I ran a google search for any news reports pertaining to this supposed violent act of "chasing" - I could not find any mention of it other than the article you linked to
I think if some giant mob action occurred where the recruiters where fleeing for their safety, there would be at least one media report - and you know the right-wing media outlets would have a field day with it.
Before denouncing something and getting all angry, make sure that this did in fact happen (or at least exactly how it happened - details).
try not to hype things.
Can you find any article that describes anything remotely like that? I could not - this leads me to believe that whatever happened was innocuous and a description of "chased away" was just bad wording.
Fist of all, let me say that I wasn't angry. I was just kind of shocked and at the same time not terribly surprised (if that is possible). I think extreme Leftism is rampant on most campuses in this country and I saw it firsthand when I went to college.
Secondly, you make a good point. I took the word of that site. When it says (almost with glee) that they were chased off, I believed them. It is possible that it is not true or that they worded it improperly.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: RandalFlagg]
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My school is interesting. We have a mostly liberal staff and a mostly conservative student population. It makes for some interesting class discussions.
I love being situated in the ceter of the spectrum. I can just sit back and let these people look like assholes.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Catalysis]
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Catalysis said: Because they don't work and/or have cushy, high-paying tenured positions. Contrary to popular belief, it is not the underprivileged and minorities who are the driving force behind liberalism, it tends to be the manhattans and malibus of the country and the well-off college kids/professors.
Just curious as to what you would consider "high-paying". 95% of professors make less than 100K. In fact, the vast majority don't even break 70Kish till into their 40's and 50's. Believe me, while being largely liberal it has little to do with income level.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: SoopaX]
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SoopaX said: I think that the military should pull a "kent state" and get back at those pussy liberals.
I think the Army has some openings in the PR department.
you should consider applying.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Catalysis]
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Because they don't work and/or have cushy, high-paying tenured positions. Contrary to popular belief, it is not the underprivileged and minorities who are the driving force behind liberalism, it tends to be the manhattans and malibus of the country and the well-off college kids/professors.
People have been told otherwise for decades and thats why they are shocked that middle america votes republican and surprised to see liberal-bias on college campuses.
oh really? then please explain why union workers and poor minorities nearly always vote democrat?
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: question_for_joo]
#4120746 - 05/01/05 08:12 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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question_for_joo said: because people in institutions of higher education are more intelligent and or harder working than average people of their age: hence they are liberal
1. More highly educated people tend to go on to be more successful in business, and therefore are more likely to become conservative. 2. I'm in college, and have friends that aren't. My friends who aren't in college do much harder work than me just to get by.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Vvellum]
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oh really? then please explain why union workers and poor minorities nearly always vote democrat?
1. Like I said, people have always been told to vote democrat if you are a minority/union/"common" folk. However, keep in mind that union membership has been declining every year for decades and it is now the lowest it has been in 60+ years because people are realizing the benefits of entrepreneurship. This was a huge blow to Kerry in his campaign.
2. Another blow to the Kerry campaign was the unprecidented amount of minority support that the republicans drew in the last election. The poor today are feeling more empowered and they realize that social programs, well beneficial in the short term, will eventually prevent them from achieving their goals in the long term.
...but just keep telling yourself that those wealthy ohioan steel workers are holding back the poor west coast californians from getting another jacuzzi...Dammit we need government health care so we can give more money to the wall-street CEOs for their Bermuda vacation homes.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Catalysis]
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My friend has a vacation home there... He's rich, yay, it's great to be his friend.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Why is higher education so infected with rampant and excessive Leftism?
I don't know...must be something to do with intelligence
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: trendal]
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Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
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Wasn't that phrase thought up by someone who didn't get their professorship?
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: trendal]
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trendal said: Wasn't that phrase thought up by someone who didn't get their professorship?
Maybe. My dad told me that in law school, they had a saying: A students make good judges, B students make good law professors, and C students make good money.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Phred]
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Phred said: Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Phred
Those darn teachers. Down with education!!!
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Catalysis]
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1. Like I said, people have always been told to vote democrat if you are a minority/union/"common" folk. However, keep in mind that union membership has been declining every year for decades and it is now the lowest it has been in 60+ years because people are realizing the benefits of entrepreneurship. This was a huge blow to Kerry in his campaign.
I would like to see your stats that demonstrate that union ranks have lowered because of "realizing the benefits of entrepreneurship." I think it is more likely that blue collar jobs have been exported or downsized, but go ahead and prove your point please.
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2. Another blow to the Kerry campaign was the unprecidented amount of minority support that the republicans drew in the last election. The poor today are feeling more empowered and they realize that social programs, well beneficial in the short term, will eventually prevent them from achieving their goals in the long term.
two words: gay marriage - the Bush campaign pandered to the Chrisitians and a large percentage of blacks and latinos are Christian before they are Democrats.
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...but just keep telling yourself that those wealthy ohioan steel workers are holding back the poor west coast californians from getting another jacuzzi...Dammit we need government health care so we can give more money to the wall-street CEOs for their Bermuda vacation homes.
huh?
Are you really trying to argue that liberalism is not overwhelming made up of working class folk, but rather people from Malibu and Manhattan? Give me a break.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Vvellum]
#4123509 - 05/02/05 01:35 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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huh?
Are you really trying to argue that liberalism is not overwhelming made up of working class folk, but rather people from Malibu and Manhattan? Give me a break.
When I think of liberals, I don't think of the hard-working factory laborer who watches NASCAR and goes huntin' or fishin' on the weeke.d
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Phred]
#4123921 - 05/02/05 03:33 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Phred said: Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Except for those that do and teach.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: SoopaX]
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When I think of liberals, I don't think of the hard-working factory laborer who watches NASCAR and goes huntin' or fishin' on the weeke.d
Please provide your sound statistics that show that those who identify as liberal/democrat are primarily of higher income brackets. thanks.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Vvellum]
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They're not. It's pretty evenly split over wide income demographics. There are differences between populations based on other criteria though. For instance, union rank and file tend toward the right more than union leadership does. Academics tend more to the left than business people.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Phred]
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Phred said: Those who can, do.
Those who can't, teach.
Phred
Considering that professors in the higher academic world more often than not are involved in research and development (or creative expression/criticism/editing) in all spheres of the world, your statement is absurd and meaningless.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Vvellum]
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Research and development of what? Art history? Middle English Lit.? Spoken Urdu? For every professor who might actually do scientific research there is at least 2 involved in the gazing of navels. Far more R&D is done in business than in academia.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Vvellum]
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Are you really trying to argue that liberalism is not overwhelming made up of working class folk, but rather people from Malibu and Manhattan? Give me a break.
Below are the top 20 income earning states from the 2003 census. 70% voted democrat. Of the remaining 30 states of lower income, only 6 (or 20%) voted democrat.
New Jersey 55,221 Dem Maryland 55,213 Dem New Hampshire 55,166 Dem Alaska 55,143 Rep Connecticut 55,004 Dem Minnesota 54,480 Dem Virginia 52,587 Rep Massachusetts 52,084 Dem Delaware 50,451 Dem Colorado 50,224 Rep Hawaii 49,839 Dem Utah 49,143 Rep California 48,979 Dem Wisconsin 46,782 Dem Nevada 46,118 Rep Washington 45,960 Dem Illinois 45,607 Dem Rhode Island 45,205 Dem Michigan 45,176 Dem Nebraska 44,357 Rep
Of course my "malibu and manhattan" reference was an exaggeration, but i must admit that I gain great delight in pointing out that the common belief that dems are supported primarily by the poor and underprivaledged is patently false.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: zappaisgod]
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Research and development of what? Art history? Middle English Lit.? Spoken Urdu?
I have a professor friend who is down in Chile at the moment studying dark matter. My other professor friend is under contract with a major publishing company and is currently writing a book on the literary history of Ireland. Surely, you have also heard of all the military, health, business, and non-profit projects and endeavors that have always been filled by professors. To suggest that those in the academic world do nothing other than teach and grade papers is ridiculous and ignorant.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Catalysis]
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what a vague and easily-spun statistic. where'd you cut/pasted that from?
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Below are the top 20 income earning states from the 2003 census. 70% voted democrat. Of the remaining 30 states of lower income, only 6 (or 20%) voted democrat.
so...
a) the entire general population of these states have the highest income levels (average?) in the nation b) these voter population is more democrat than not.
therefore
c) democrats have high income levels
logical fallacy. try again.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Vvellum]
#4127487 - 05/03/05 11:41 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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RICH EDUCATED SOCIALIST LEFT vs. RICH EDUCATED LIBERTARIAN RIGHT... Considering the state of public education and it's lack of emphasis on logic or debate perhaps it would make sense for less educated people to vote with their emotions instead of their heads. This works for BOTH parties.
This would work especially well if you were to tell them that a group of rich, educated Liberals are trying to rule them. Or a rich, oil Tycoon. Also, the more they work the less time and energy they have to look into details of an election the better to lead them.
I'm no expert but didn't Bush cut Public Education funding and Over Time Pay? Isn't he seen as a typical "Fat Cat" Rancher/Oil tycoon? Some people say the the Left is just the same, they just lie about it.
So I guess the question may be : WHICH RICH DISCONNECTED WHITE GUY DO YOU WANT RULING YOU?
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Elvish]
#4127511 - 05/03/05 11:46 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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PS I think TOTAL RECAL is one of the funniest movies ever!
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Elvish]
#4128679 - 05/03/05 04:43 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I heard some one say this once, "Republicans screw you over and tell you about it, Democrats just screw you over."
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: downforpot]
#4128693 - 05/03/05 04:46 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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downforpot said: I heard some one say this once, "Republicans screw you over and tell you about it, Democrats just screw you over."
On the other hand, there's Bill Maher's observation of politicians pissing on people. He says that the Republicans are saying, "We're pissing on you" but they sell the optimism that some day you could be one of the pissers like them, whereas Democrats say, "We're gonna piss on you; here's an umbrella."
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Silversoul]
#4128764 - 05/03/05 05:03 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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For real man. I wanna be a rich fat white guy myself and I think I am on the way too. I got 95% of my college education paid by scholarships so therefore I don't need no loans and all my money will go towards investing and making big bucks and becoming a richy in a silk suite and a benz. Yep, that's the American Dream.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: downforpot]
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: zappaisgod]
#4128884 - 05/03/05 05:31 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hello
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Vvellum]
#4128960 - 05/03/05 05:51 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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what a vague and easily-spun statistic. where'd you cut/pasted that from?
Heh, actually I went to the US census site to obtain the income demographic data, cross-referenced that with election data from another site and calculated the stats myself.
I don't see how you can totally dismiss these stats when you asked me for data showing a correlation between income level and political affiliation. Can you get a better sampling size than the census and the election results?
Let me try to simplify this "logic" so you can understand.
1. When a state is higher in median income ranking, that means a majority of citizens in that state make more than the lower states.
2. When a state votes democrat or republican, it usually means a majority of the citizens voted that way.
3. When a majority in one state votes a certain way, it is statistically likely that the majority will consist of an income distribution similar to the median level. Otherwise, how could a majority in one aspect consist entirely of a minority in the other. Its impossible.
Haha! It appears you are the one with the logical fallicy.
Couple that with the fact that my previous calculation is beyond statistacal significance any way you look at it and you have quite a hurdle to overcome. Go ahead, try to "spin" it. Its easy right?
You kept asking for numbers and now you got em.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Catalysis]
#4129176 - 05/03/05 06:54 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well, I don't know what you guys are fooling around with here but it is a stone fact that the richer you are the more likely you voted for W, regardless of the nonsensical extrapolative noncorrelation of rich states going for Qerry. Here's the link for all kinds of breakdowns. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html
The 30,000 to 50,000 range was the tipping point. It was pretty even. Below voted for Qerry. Above voted for Bush. This is probably somewhat skewed by the age of the Qerry supporters who tended to be younger and thus not yet in their prime earning years and not yet feeling the lash of taxes. Of further interest, in regards to education, Qerry held a tiny lead with those who had not graduated HS (once again probably an age thing) and Bush held a lead for all other groups until we get to the pinhead faction with post graduate degrees, as in intelectually incestuous navel gazers like Ward Churchill. Who don't really make that much money in spite of their poseur stance that they are the arbiters of what should and should not be done.
In conclusion, the aberrant, out of sequence, result is from the "elite", (or, as Safire would say, "effete") intellectual snobs. More successful people tended to vote for Bush. That could also be taken to mean the people who have more personally felt the lash of taxation. You could also put forth the argument that the less likely you are to be a parasite the more likely you were to have voted for Bush. Let this be a lesson, boys and girls. Losers and poseurs vote Democrat. Peope of action with hope and dreams vote Republican (there being no Libertarian alternative yet).
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruitersPeope of action with hope and dreams vote Republican [Re: zappaisgod]
#4129203 - 05/03/05 07:00 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Peope of action with hope and dreams vote Republican
Right because he's done such a bang-up job in lowering the deficit and controlling government spending. Who do you think is going to end up paying for the US's massive debt, the tooth fairy?
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: zappaisgod]
#4129265 - 05/03/05 07:17 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Here's the link for all kinds of breakdowns. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html
Keep in mind the sampling size was 13,660 or 0.004% of the sampling population with location being unspecified. It is also done by convenience sampling requiring consent to publish personal data which introduces another variable.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruitersPeope of action with hope and dreams vote Republican [Re: newuser1492]
#4129288 - 05/03/05 07:24 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, I'd rather see the government run a deficit than me. There were historic deficit levels in the early 90s too. When congress cut taxes the economy recovered and paid it off. The most important thing any government can do is maintain a safe environment for people to work and earn. High taxes are a disincentive to work. Happens every time. I do not sweat the federal government's deficit. I sweat mine. Trust me when I tell you I have heard this particular chicken little bullshit for decades and it always amounts to nothing. Now if we can only get the fuckers to cut spending we'll be in even better shape. But raising taxes is always a disaster. Nothing good ever comes of it. Raising taxes to cover the deficit is like funding programs to create jobs. Either the work has an intrinsic value aside from employment or it's just a make work program. The only makework programs should be in prisons.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Catalysis]
#4129329 - 05/03/05 07:33 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Catalysis said:
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Here's the link for all kinds of breakdowns. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html
Keep in mind the sampling size was 13,660 or 0.004% of the sampling population with location being unspecified. It is also done by convenience sampling requiring consent to publish personal data which introduces another variable.
Fine. Find a more reliable one and post it, instead of that obfuscatory bullshit you tried to pull earlier with the states for Qerry being richer. I, at least, am not trying to deliberately deceive anyone. You, on the other hand, with your apparent understanding of statistics, should have known better than to post that states crap. Unless, of course, you did know better and were not interested in enlightening anyone honestly but were furthering your agenda by disinformation
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: zappaisgod]
#4129411 - 05/03/05 07:57 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fine. Find a more reliable one and post it, instead of that obfuscatory bullshit you tried to pull earlier with the states for Qerry being richer. I, at least, am not trying to deliberately deceive anyone. You, on the other hand, with your apparent understanding of statistics, should have known better than to post that states crap. Unless, of course, you did know better and were not interested in enlightening anyone honestly but were furthering your agenda by disinformation
Well maybe you are right.
From now on I will just stick to posting CNN phone polls to support my arguments.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Catalysis]
#4129446 - 05/03/05 08:06 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey, just find a better one. I looked. Trust me, I didn't pass any up. I just took the first one. It happened to be from a fairly reputable, if left leaning, source.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: Catalysis]
#4129467 - 05/03/05 08:09 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I still haven't heard an explanation as to what you thought you were doing with that states bullshit. If you're as savvy as you seem to be you knew it was crap. As in the conclusion you were drawing did not exist in the data you drew it from. And I think you knew it.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: zappaisgod]
#4129761 - 05/03/05 08:52 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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The Republicans are a bunch of spineless, soul-less, money-grubbing, self-aggrandizing, statist, pseudo-capitalist, ditto-head, puritanical, shallow, narrow-minded, thick-skulled, paternalistic, incompetent neanderthals who spew more bullshit than David Icke puking up a cow's ass(sorry if I offended any neanderthals). Those of us with eyes to see understand that the only alternative they offer is a slightly different form of tyranny.
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Re: Protesters chase away military recruiters [Re: downforpot]
#4131515 - 05/04/05 06:42 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I am pro war
Then maybe you should go die in one. Saying that you are pro war is a very disturbing statement. It shows a sense of ignorance and brainwashing by the conservative media. go to a war zone and get your leg blown off and crawl over screaming dieing people and use a dead persons supplies and clothing to survive off of. go accidentally kill some civilians and then come back and say you are pro war.
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