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why does Rumi say we will wake from this world as if from a dream
    #4390015 - 07/10/05 05:10 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

that we were once rock and then plant and then animal - now human, and though we don't remember it at all, (since we are now sleeping and dreaming this life from the other side,) we are only now faced with dream problems in a dreamed life, but occasionally we sense the truth about that.


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Re: why does Rumi say we will wake from this world as if from a dream [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4390349 - 07/10/05 07:42 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

So if you believe what you say here about us dreaming this reality from another dimension of consciousness then are you one of my dreams or am I one of yours or are we both asleep and dreaming the same environment and having dream interactions?


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Re: why does Rumi say we will wake from this world as if from a dream [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4390361 - 07/10/05 07:45 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I ask this question because I'm sure as my ass is white that when I dream of someone it's not them, it's just the characiture I have of them in my head and I'm pulling the puppet's strings it's just I don't know I am.


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Re: why does Rumi say we will wake from this world as if from a dream [Re: question_for_joo]
    #4390392 - 07/10/05 07:59 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Rest assured you are just a figment of my dream.


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Re: why does Rumi say we will wake from this world as if from a dream [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4390411 - 07/10/05 08:05 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

"Come in she said I'll give ya shelter from the storm."


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Re: why does Rumi say we will wake from this world as if from a dream [Re: sox24]
    #4390662 - 07/10/05 09:41 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

It seems as though it's a rumination about death being just the beginning of a new day for the energy that lies deep within our human frames.. Kinda like ScatmanRav's sig "life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."


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Re: why does Rumi say we will wake from this world as if from a dream [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4390673 - 07/10/05 09:46 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
that we were once rock and then plant and then animal - now human, and though we don't remember it at all, (since we are now sleeping and dreaming this life from the other side,) we are only now faced with dream problems in a dreamed life, but occasionally we sense the truth about that.




Funny I was just speaking of this in the Education Post.  I like the way you say it. :thumbup: :heart:


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Re: why does Rumi say we will wake from this world as if from a dream [Re: sox24]
    #4390678 - 07/10/05 09:49 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

sox24 said:
"Come in she said I'll give ya shelter from the storm."





:thumbup: :yesnod:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: why does Rumi say we will wake from this world as if from a dream [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4391198 - 07/11/05 01:52 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

here's my interpretation-
the progression rock,plant,animal,human is a progression of consciousness
and the thing is, the more consciousness something has, the more it can be said it's in a dream (that's what's implied IMO)

which i think is interesting because a dream is like pure consciousness if you think about it- it's a reality with no reality (no reality in the sense that it's all produced by the mind)

death is when you wake up, the absence of consciousness, and time stops
and when time stops, that's eternity

which btw is what i think the meaning of heaven is
like when people say that it's returning to the source (god), which is living with him in his plane of existence, which is outside time; (and incidentally is where time comes from). like death means going to heaven, total obliteration of consciousness

i have a few misgivings about this POV but that's how i interpret what you posted anyway


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Rumi --- > [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4391629 - 07/11/05 08:39 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I died a mineral, and became a plant.
I died a plant and rose an animal.
I died an animal and I was man.
Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?

Jalal-Uddin Rumi (1207-1273)


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Re: Rumi --- > [Re: gnrm23]
    #4392042 - 07/11/05 12:40 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Perhaps we are god, moving thru each layer of conscience (rock, animal, man).

As we perfect each level, we move on to the next level.

I think we will remain in human form, for MANY more generations, before we can move to the next level.


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Re: Rumi --- > [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4392049 - 07/11/05 12:42 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

A self picture after a salvia trip ...


Strange feeling ... i was seeing the ocean but i had no eyes.

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Re: Rumi --- > [Re: MAIA]
    #4392162 - 07/11/05 01:32 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

smooth


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Re: Rumi --- > [Re: niteowl]
    #4397978 - 07/13/05 12:47 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

niteowl said:


I think we will remain in human form, for MANY more generations, before we can move to the next level.



shit that sounds like my bad trip I had. I believe I died over 20 times during it. I hope this is not a dream and I am not God. It would be a pretty lonely existence once you come to realize this. Can God go insane? because I would.


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Re: Rumi --- > [Re: GNIOM1498]
    #4399960 - 07/13/05 03:51 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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GNIOM1498 said:
I hope this is not a dream and I am not God.  It would be a pretty lonely existence once you come to realize this.  Can God go insane? because I would.




This statement does not make sense. If you were God, I suspect you would have quite the different mind than your current one, ja? Being the culmination of existance would sort of imply not being lonely, as that is only a feeling derived from a glitch in the programming of a human mind.

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Re: Rumi --- > [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4400273 - 07/13/05 05:20 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Then why split up in the first place?


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Re: Rumi --- > [Re: dorkus]
    #4400411 - 07/13/05 05:51 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

i think you guys should read anything by meher baba. especially god speaks. which is his book on the evolution on consiousness. Its very deep and hard to grasp sometimes but its fucking awesome. He gives charts and different thing to help describe the prosess of moving through stone, bird, human ,ect.


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Re: Rumi --- > [Re: Vulture]
    #4400441 - 07/13/05 05:59 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

I thought Meher Baba was fake...? Do you believe everything he says?


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Re: Rumi --- > [Re: dorkus]
    #4400767 - 07/13/05 07:05 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

where did you get the idea that he was fake.

i love baba....his teachings have helped me thorugh many a hard time in my life


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Re: Rumi --- > [Re: gnrm23]
    #4401765 - 07/14/05 12:10 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Bea-utiful! The Great Chain of Being!

"I was floating in a rainbow...and there was millions of babies, and they was smilin' - then suddenly, I turned into the perfect smile."

- From 'Greaser's Palace'


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