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 MOTH
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 Dealing with authority 
#4140940 - 05/06/05 05:16 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Why do you think that some people have a rough time dealing with authority? Does it start from childhood? I've been rebellious since I can remember (my earliest memories are of myself resisting my parents authority). And even though I'm a mod here at the Shroomery, it makes me a bit uncomfortable to be put in an authority position. I have always had a rebellious nature and a strange relationship with authority figures, or people who have power over me. I either end up disliking the authority figure or developing a crush on him, sometimes at the same time. I say "him" rather then "her" because I don't really care about women in authority. They don't bother me that much. But a male authority figure always elicits that love/hate thing from me.
Does this have something to do with father-figures? Are some people just "wired" differently?
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Re: Dealing with authority [Re: MOTH]
#4140965 - 05/06/05 05:29 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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You feel threatened of them and feel that you are more deserving of their position of power. 
*shrugs* 
 
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Re: Dealing with authority - I just try to act like asphault and let them walk all over me [Re: fireworks_god]
#4140994 - 05/06/05 05:44 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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One day, when we were less than 12, my younger brother and I came into the kitchen with our shoes still on and some dried mud fell off.
My father ragged us and pulled his belt off and folded it to begin to correct us. Me first as older - I remember standing up to face the next few unpleasant minutes and afterwards was a bit dismayed that my brother fell to the ground mewling and begging for forgiveness.
I don't remember if the outcome was much altered by his ploy.
These patterns persisted like the cutting of a deck of cards.
I was eventually relieved when the source of my paternal authority passed away (although it meant my father was not coming back which is a drag), and was very sorrowful when my brother cringed his last act out before some very serious tax collectors in a devastating repeat performance.
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MOTH
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Sorry...guess this isn't a very "S&P" topic.
I am asking because I heard someone say that our relationship with authority mimics our relationship with God.
It just made me think about my own relationship with authority and how it is related to my spiritual growth.
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Re: Dealing with authority [Re: MOTH]
#4141054 - 05/06/05 06:23 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I think children use rebellion against authority as a means to identify their own individuality. We see this when a child is around two years old, and again when a child enters puberty. I am not claiming that adults cannot be rebellious, but being placed into a position of authority, such as becoming a parent (or a moderator), tends to increase ones appreciation for those that are easy going and takes away from ones rebellious nature.
I completely disagree that the way we deal with authority has anything at all to do with our relationship with God. To me this sounds like a typical scare tactic used by evangelistic Christians. "Follow the rules or burn in hell". "Follow the rules or rot it prison". My relationship with God is based upon unconditional love and surrender, not upon laws or authority or fear of damnation.
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Re: Dealing with authority [Re: Seuss]
#4141079 - 05/06/05 06:35 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Seuss said:
I completely disagree that the way we deal with authority has anything at all to do with our relationship with God. To me this sounds like a typical scare tactic used by evangelistic Christians.
I agree with you. I didn't want to say anything at first (so as not to turn the thread into feeling anti-Christian) but yes, the person who said it is a Christian. I have a Christian background, so the comment caught my interest even though I don't believe it has any validity.
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I think children use rebellion against authority as a means to identify their own individuality. We see this when a child is around two years old, and again when a child enters puberty. I am not claiming that adults cannot be rebellious, but being placed into a position of authority, such as becoming a parent (or a moderator), tends to increase ones appreciation for those that are easy going and takes away from ones rebellious nature.
I've never thought about it that way before, but I think you're right.
Edited by EllemyshShade (05/06/05 06:39 AM)
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Re: Dealing with authority [Re: MOTH]
#4141097 - 05/06/05 06:39 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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My mistrust for and loathing of Authority stems from the fact that authority is usually not given out on a basis of intelligence or logicality.
If a "leader" can display a strong intelligence, good use of logic, and rationally explain his/her decisions...then I have no problems at all in following them.
The moment an authority figure says something stupid, then tries to cover it with lies, they have lost all of my respect and will see little to no obedience coming from me.
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Re: Dealing with authority [Re: trendal]
#4141244 - 05/06/05 07:54 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
trendal said:
My mistrust for and loathing of Authority stems from the fact that authority is usually not given out on a basis of intelligence or logicality.
If a "leader" can display a strong intelligence, good use of logic, and rationally explain his/her decisions...then I have no problems at all in following them.
The moment an authority figure says something stupid, then tries to cover it with lies, they have lost all of my respect and will see little to no obedience coming from me.
Zactly!
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FUCK AUTHORITY
(GG Allin)
Don't ever trust authority
Pigs, parents and our society
You got to play by your own, own set of rules
Fuck the law, fuck the law, fuck the law, burn the fuse
Mr. Pig Man, you are nothing
Nothing, sealed behind your badge
Always snorting out lies and deceits
Pawned away, pawned away to your boring society
Fuck authority, fuck authority
Kill the president and seniority
Fuck authority, fuck authority
Lets murder a society
Little pig man behind judge's robe
I can't wait to see you die
You piece, you piece of puppet property shit
You're nothing but a lie so full of shit
If you live nothing, you are nothing
Dissolved by the stagnating masses
I say its time to say fuck the law
Kill, kill, kill, kill their motherfucking asses
Fuck authority, fuck authority
Kill the president and seniority
Fuck authority, fuck authority
Lets murder a society
'Cause when I fall
Because when I fall, I fall hard
Going down with everything
Going down with everything that I am
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Re: Dealing with authority [Re: MOTH]
#4142977 - 05/06/05 03:29 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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 I work fine with authority that has proven itself.
No way in hell I'm going to respect something just because others suggest I should, it must prove itself.
I think it has to deal with respect, and how an individual grants respect. Some grant respect merely from hierarchical status, other grant it on the basis of age. Some don't give it any respect even if it is required. I'm in the last category, it must prove itself or else I'll just write it off. Blind respect to authority, isn't too different from blind faith.  Do nothing blindly.
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Re: Dealing with authority [Re: MOTH]
#4143568 - 05/06/05 06:11 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I always had a problem with authority as a young man. In the Army I had a severe attitude. I almost got sent to prison at Pearl Harbor for whipping my platoon sergeant's ass. (he was relieved of command three days later for abuse of power and my C.O. saved my ass)I disagreed and rebelled against authority in all of it's forms. Well, life has a funny way of paying you back...now I am a very authoritarian person myself...as a person and a parent. Nearly every job I have had in the last 15 years has required that I enforce rules and regulations. What is even more funny is that I have rebelled against the authorities that employed me in these jobs. I must be really screwed up.
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Re: Dealing with authority [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4143590 - 05/06/05 06:20 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Some of us noticed. 
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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.
With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Dealing with authority [Re: Icelander]
#4143595 - 05/06/05 06:21 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I figured that all too well.
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Re: Dealing with authority [Re: trendal]
#4143751 - 05/06/05 06:59 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
trendal said:
My mistrust for and loathing of Authority stems from the fact that authority is usually not given out on a basis of intelligence or logicality.
If a "leader" can display a strong intelligence, good use of logic, and rationally explain his/her decisions...then I have no problems at all in following them.
The moment an authority figure says something stupid, then tries to cover it with lies, they have lost all of my respect and will see little to no obedience coming from me.
Respect should be earned, not given automatically.
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Re: Dealing with authority [Re: Silversoul]
#4143760 - 05/06/05 07:01 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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A certain truth.
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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ā Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Dealing with authority [Re: MOTH]
#4144287 - 05/06/05 10:00 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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i think that theres a definite survival instinct at work here...as george orwell pointed out more or less eloquently..the person imposing authority is bent on inflicting pain and humiliation as an end to itself...this generally involves bodily injury..so the rebellion is an attempt to avoid such injury...
as per the gender of the authoritarian..my experience has been the opposite of yours ..i find that female authoritarians are even more impatient than their male counterparts...but irregardless of gender..i fully agree that in almost every case..the authoritarian got the job because of cronyism rather than ability...
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Re: Dealing with authority [Re: MOTH]
#4144771 - 05/07/05 01:00 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't really fear authority as much as I fear their ability to make my life miserable. Take my money, imprison me, etc.
They hold a lot of power but it doesn't get wielded poorly most of the time.
Just kinda depends. I'm not too strong on this topic.
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MOTH
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Re: Dealing with authority [Re: freddurgan]
#4145680 - 05/07/05 10:48 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, I get really tweaky when someone else imagines they can control me.
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Re: Dealing with authority [Re: freddurgan]
#4145689 - 05/07/05 10:50 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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An authority figure who weilds their power in a practical, decisive, and even handed way is a rare find, as well as a great benefit to society. A poor authority figure is a menace.
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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ā Carlos Castaneda
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