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Invisiblemedicinebag
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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2120394 - 11/18/03 06:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Doctor J,

Thanks for being open-minded to the argument. I see where when I said raves it might have come off wrong. I don't know why I used that word. I just did. Yes, dancing is a medicine in itself. I don't know why I used raves, Maybe its that I saw them only as a party where drunkness blinds a person and then more disrespect is shown. So thanks for being open-minded. And yes, I have not met to many people that were at a "party" and were in the right attitude for tripping. Before I say to much again. Thanks. later.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2120421 - 11/18/03 06:15 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I didn't see you going over to Shroomisms thread and busting his balls about his beliefs.
There are many things that you do NOT see (therefore they do not exist?). I disagree with many of shroomism's ideas, but he has a good heart.

Maybe, thats becasue he is a Mod.
Yeah, that gets me quaking in my boots.

I would appreciate if you would not mock my religious beliefs with your jokes.
Perhaps had you come in here respectfully instead of tramping around finding fault everywhere, you just might have received a different reception. Take two mushrooms and think on that.

Have a nice life. thank you very much.
This sounds precariously like a euphimism.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2120428 - 11/18/03 06:16 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I would prefer my threads not to be "crapped" up by someone who apparently doesn't like me on a personal level.

Your perceptual powers are quite weak. I do not dislike you at all; just trying to get you to lighten up a tad.


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Invisiblemedicinebag
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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: Swami]
    #2120443 - 11/18/03 06:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Swami,

Do you answer every post in the same fashion? I think you do it just to get a rise out of people. Later. Dude, your the only one busting my balls. Everyone else that disagreed with me left one post and left it at that. But you, you have to keep putting your two cents down. I have asked you before. Please go away. I do not want to read any of your versions all cut up of what I said. GOODDAY>


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InvisibleSwami
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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: DoctorJ]
    #2120451 - 11/18/03 06:26 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

awwww, thats really too bad, SWAMI. seriously, I was interested in what you had to say, though the first couple excercises were a little patronizing.

They were not meant to be patronizing, but were some exercises that I had on hand to get people involved while I worked on the "real" curriculum.

I was willing to give freely of my time and energy if the interest level was high enough. Perhaps someone else might take the reigns.

As I have once mentioned, it is somewhat of a waste that we have this tremendous resource of people here at the shroomery, yet we remain (as a group) quite unfocused and accomplish little except on the social level. Seems there are amazing things that we could do together. Never before has there been a "tribe" like this in the history of the world.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: Swami]
    #2120454 - 11/18/03 06:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

heil SWAMI!


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: Swami]
    #2120584 - 11/18/03 07:05 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Damn it Swami, I'm interested.

Do you need EVERYONE to show interest to continue.

I did the first couple of exercises, I was just not responding until later.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: sirreal]
    #2120632 - 11/18/03 07:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

welcome to the forum medicinebag. swami comes off as kind of abrasive, male incarnate ^_^. i consider him a lesson in tollerance and patience.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2121828 - 11/19/03 04:45 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"I was a non-believer, too. Then I tried a new approach. To treat the mushroom just like it was treated by those that first discovered how to commune with him in this "new world"."

Well, once you force yourself to approach a certain viewpoint, you will adopt it.

When I first started using psychedelics, I took a far more spiritual approach to them. I spent a few years using them as though they magical sacraments. They showed me "truths". For a while I even believed I knew exactly what the experience of the afterlife would be like. I thought it had something to do with purity of colour.

I spent a lot of time thinking about this, but one thing didn't seem to work out. Why are there so many people with other ideas of the afterlife that oppose mine? They all seemed to believe in their ideas, some even had opposing beliefs they were willing to fight and die for.

I began to think that what psychdelics were really showing me, was how powerful a slight chemical change in the mind can be.

Belief is a very powerful thing, but only in the mind of the believer. It occured to me that when I believed something only because it felt right, it could easily turn out to be false.

I think that while you believe you are having the most beneficial and wonderful trips possible, there are people who are approaching the drugs in an entirely different way, and having equally beautiful experiences.

They may be missing out of some of the glorious experiences you've had, but you could be easily missing out on some of the wonderful experiences they've had.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2126444 - 11/21/03 01:05 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I do not have to fast, meditate on my intentions, make offerenings to the four compass points and sprinkle tobacco when I visit my dear old granny...

Swami,

You know your suppose to always bring tobacco when you visit your elders. *laughs*

Hey,

We kinda got off to a bad start. It started with this post so I hope we can end it with this post. What'd say. Bury the hatchet, Kocheese?


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2126691 - 11/21/03 05:01 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

look man, to be quite honest i got a little offended when you told me that i ...never get anything of "TRUE" value from my trips.

Quote:

If someone is tripping for pleasure, sex or to be able to drink longer, then nothing seen will be of any value do to the disrespect shown.




though i fail to see what you mean when talk about being able to drink longer on shrooms, these other two examples you presented didnt sit well with me....

every time i trip i trip for pleasure....if it wasnt fun i wouldnt do it. does that mean i fail to come out with anything of value? no... i find a pleasurable experience to be of great value in of itself, not counting any insight that may or may not have taken place...

and sex....2 people, in love, under the influence of psycadelics, having sex....ya, your probably right....nothing of any real value there...

i have never actually tried this on shrooms, but i think having sex with a person you care about, while under the influence could be a truely magical experience....

the fact is, maybe what we hold to be of true value, isnt quite the same as yours....i value every trip, regardless of what happens. i think there is something to be learned from every trip, even if the lesson isnt out in plain sight. sometimes, you got to dig a little deeper for the meaning....just my thoughts, i agree with what you said to a certain extent...in that a level of respect should be had when usng such tools...taken in the wrong situation, things could get a little ugly.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2126715 - 11/21/03 05:54 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

"When I use the word Whore it should be already understood, as not a prostitute's vocation but a whore, a worthless thing to be used then thrown away."- Medicinebag

Like a candy wrapper...who's sole existence could be considered to be temptation...into pleasure....which could be judged to be a worthless and despicable pastime...which then translates into the perception that whores are worthless and despicable (guilt by association)

Perhaps it is the judgement itself of worthlessness that results in the aesthetic's denunciation of pleasure?


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: castaway]
    #2126829 - 11/21/03 09:08 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Do not take offense. Why did it offend you. I stated what I stated. I stand by my words, however, scewed the perceptions may be. When I said whore, It was a metaphor. Not to be taken literally, but to be understood as the opposite of a grandmother metaphor. One is respected the other is not. I do not wish to argue over the grammar I chose. The meaning I was trying to potray is, even though you think that it is a wonderful experience, the experience becomes entirely different when respect is shown to the spirit of the mushroom. I have defined the spirit as not the mushroom or psilocybin. They are the vehicle which takes you away to another realm. Of course, you will have a wonderful expereince on mushrooms regardless of respect shown. However, I do not believe that "pleasure" is the only reason why someone should trip. I apologise for offense. I would rather not argue about it. Do what you wish, I have stated what I am going to state on the subject. Later.


Edited by medicinebag (11/21/03 11:41 AM)


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2128422 - 11/21/03 11:43 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

First off, I disagree with you.
With that out of the way
Sure, there's a lot of people who you think probably shouldn't be eating mushies. There's a lot of people I think probably shouldn't be eating them either -- and a lot of people I think SHOULD, but aren't.
It's not from their disrepectful eating of mushrooms that their problems stem but rather from themselves.
Most people out there in the world are not introspective thought-laden beings of understanding and curiosity, and to expect them to be so is silly.
If you're into the whole spirituality thing, man.. run with it. It's not for everyone. It can't be for everyone. I've never tried it and never will, because I'm awfully sure that if I started a trip with ceremony and prayer and putting on a show, it would result in a HORRIBLE HORRIBLE experience -- because in my heart I believe those things to be hollow, and as the trip came on that would end up being the overwhelming overpowering thought that i can't control and can't dismiss.
Often I think that those who say their trips are so much better and more productive are fooling themselves. Or, perhaps that's too harsh -- but it's a different perspective. A different perspective on the exact same things -- forcing yourself to believe you've found answers (perhaps not forcing, but expecting, tricking maybe).
The one thing that I will admit to you -- your method might make it easier to let go of 'reality'. I've had difficulty in the past unconciously fighting the trip, which is both good and bad.. the good is, I'm generally a very sane-acting tripper, and can function very well in public without anyone picking up on anything odd.. the bad is an incredibly, incredibly taxingly stressful mental jumble where I'm constantly forcing myself to see everything how it really is and resisting the trip itself (which i think is also why i almost never have any visuals). Yuo might think it's a bit ridiculous to go about it like that, but honestly I've had some great times. Fun, mostly, but a few insightful, and one magical night (on acid, not mushies) that i turned into some kind of superman who could remember where everything down to the smallest penny in the apartment was and who could juggle (which I've never been able to do but that once).


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #2128596 - 11/22/03 02:13 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

If I've really learned anything about tripping, it's how much of a crutch it can easily become.

How easily beauty can stagnate.


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