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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2119354 - 11/18/03 11:09 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)



Does anyone else on this site feel as I do?




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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2119363 - 11/18/03 11:13 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

One last thing.

Swami,

Yes. Psilocybin can be made sythetically. But its not the chemical psilocybin that i am refering to when I talk about the medicine. The medicine is a spirit, a force that is most intelligent. The spirit of the mushroom does exist. Psilocybin is the vehicle that lauches one to the place where the spirit lives. Psilocybin is not the spirit of the mushroom. Psilocybin is the train that takes me to where the spirit lives.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: Swami]
    #2119379 - 11/18/03 11:20 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

From Swami Spirituality Class thread:

Quote:

By offering this class.. I will focus soley on this and refrain from starting or entering threads about non-relevant topics.





Boy, that didn't last long did it?


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: Jellric]
    #2119407 - 11/18/03 11:46 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Not enough people were interested in real change, so I will not continue the class. Seems that for some, change comes from watching the Matrix and discussing aliens.

So I am back to my role as Heyoka.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2119411 - 11/18/03 11:51 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I appologize Swami.
No you don't. Seems the "medicine" has not taught you honesty.

But, I don't like playing the game where you right down what I or anyone else for that matter, says in BOLD> then you put down your two cents under that.
I do that for clarity so that one knows EXACTLY what line I am responding to.

Is that your goal to debunk anything you can't put in a test tube?
Do a search for "Swami" and "test tube". You will not come up with a single match; except for a response like this. Does the "medicine" make you see things that aren't there or are you frequently dishonest by putting words in another's mouth?

I am sorry.
Nope.




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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2119414 - 11/18/03 11:53 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

When I refer to a Whore, I meant the way a person treats a whore. not the whore her/himself.

A person? Meaning yourself? I treat whores like human beings even while spanking them.





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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2119416 - 11/18/03 11:56 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Yes. Psilocybin can be made sythetically. But its not the chemical psilocybin that i am refering to when I talk about the medicine. The medicine is a spirit, a force that is most intelligent.
So you are saying that scientists can synthetically create an intelligent spirit in the laboratory? Very cool! Nobel Prize time.

The spirit of the mushroom does exist.
Even if it does not, nor ever has, come from a living entitiy? That makes no sense.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2119436 - 11/18/03 12:13 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

You sure do ride a high horse... be careful, you have a long way to fall.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2119603 - 11/18/03 01:43 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Some people view raving and dancing for long periods of time as a spiritual endeavor.

I've experienced supreme and wonderous joy while taking psychedelics for fun. You've taken psychedelics expecting a spiritual experience, and you got one. Does that make you a better person than those who take them expecting fun? I don't see how it does.

Some people don't believe in such things as spirits. Some people think that such experiences are products of brain chemistry. Some people think that those people are lesser men than they are for thinking this way. They think that a somber spiritual tone makes you a better person.

There are non-believers who are extremely kind and generous people.
There are believers who are condescending and selfish.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: Phluck]
    #2119662 - 11/18/03 02:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I've experienced supreme and wonderous joy while taking psychedelics for fun.

Sorry, that is NOT allowed. Did you not read MB's post? The mushroom hates fun and sex and dancing and music. The mushroom only likes solemnity and silence.

Please smudge yourself and say three Maria Sabina's while begging for forgiveness.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: Swami]
    #2119952 - 11/18/03 03:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Evolving,
No I am no better than anyone else. I do not feel I am riding any horse. I am stating that if you want the experience of tripping psilocybin to become a new and totally different experience try approaching him with the utmost respect. If that is hard to define, then think of the experiences you have had. Have they been almost all the same but just different intensities? I don't know about you but I prefer a trip of value instead of a feeling of euphoria. Don't get me wrong. I love euphoria as well. I smoke Ganga daily. I still feal euphoria when I show respect. That euphoria is greater than the euphoria of having an orgasm while tripping. I have felt both so I do no the difference. Not that I haven't done the exact same thing once. I use to only think of the mushroom as a drug. Then one day I started questioning weather or not it was just a drug or a power to be respected. It is a power.

Phluck,

I was a non-believer, too. Then I tried a new approach. To treat the mushroom just like it was treated by those that first discovered how to commune with him in this "new world". I realize that mushrooms are in the old world as well> Well not the strain I am talking about. I don't know if those other psilocybin strains will take you to the same spirit. But I suppose they will, since the psilocybin pills did it for Maria. However, those pills were made from mushrooms she had already been familiar with. Not a different strain. When I first started tripping It was all about ME. Now I trip to help people. And they are fixed from it. One kid, hooked on crank(meth) since he was 12 or so. After a few sessions, he now want to pursue a goal to skate. Before, he only wanted to tweak. Now he has a life. I did not do this the medicine did. We removed his desire for METH. Because meth is a drug not a medicine. Gange is not a drug it is a medicine. A drug harms a medicine cures. That is the difference. There are countless ways the medicine can fix people. You do not have to take my suggestions. Psilocybin by itself is a powerful medicine. But, the spirit of the mushroom is cognitive and will answer questions if you don't know them.




When I smoke my homegrown I treat those plants with the upmost respect aswell. And pray to Shiva the same way its been done for thousands of years on the river Ganges. And when I smoke it feels different then if I just smoke some dope for the hell of it. When I smoke Ganga and treat the plant and the spirit that is of that plant with respect It feels like a whole different experience instead of just being stoned. And I know the difference. I have been smoking pot since I was a kid. I believe in time I will be able to commune with the cannabis spirit as well. In the same fashion as the mushroom spirit.

Here you go again, Swami, putting down what I say in bold and then changing the context. You don't do it to clarify you do it as a joke. And when you do it you try to cut the quote up to prove your point and leave out the rest. Yes. I said that psilocybin can be made sythetically. No I did not say that scientist can create a spirit that is older than man. And yes that synthetic psilocybin can launch you to the spirit. The chemical is a vehicle or a way to leave your body and go to the place where the spirit lives. Not what you have suggested.

No I have not ever treated a prostitue in anyfashion. Sex is not the driving force in my life. I have had all the kinkiest sex I will ever need to sustain me forever. When I use the word Whore it should be already understood, as not a prostitute's vocation but a whore, a worthless thing to be used then thrown away. I think you should know the difference, but you prefer to argue over grammar rather than the points. The point is that when a plant of power or even a synthetic analog, is approached for knowledge not pleasure with a respectful mannar then the experience is totally different than just taking a "drug" for kicks. The chemical is not the spirit. The chemical is a medicine in its own write. The chemical can take you to where the spirit is. And then the trip is a totally different trip. Not like some drug, but like an awakening. THe chemical can be used as medicine without the spirit. The spirit can show you things and do things the chemical can not. And to meet the spirit, respect has to be shown. That is my point. Not the words you have placed down. Apparently, I have offended you by suggestion that sex while tripping should be abstained from. Not sex peroid. We can post our arguments until the end of days, but I see that you will not budge on your view points. So I will not try to convince "you" of anything. I am not here for you swami, so I will try to find a few like minds and just PM them. LATER>

Medicinebag



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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2120027 - 11/18/03 03:51 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

No I have not ever treated a prostitue in anyfashion.
Then why did you bring it up?

Sex is not the driving force in my life. I have had all the kinkiest sex I will ever need to sustain me forever.
>put your own comment in here<

When I use the word Whore it should be already understood, as not a prostitute's vocation but a whore, a worthless thing to be used then thrown away.
(Show of hands) How many here took it that way? I don't see anything as useless; all things have their place and purpose. Any spiritually advanced being knows that!

The chemical is a medicine in its own write. The chemical can take you to where the spirit is.
Albuquerque?

And then the trip is a totally different trip. Not like some drug, but like an awakening.
When is a drug not like a drug? Gee, I love Zen koans.

Apparently, I have offended you by suggestion that sex while tripping should be abstained from.
Only an ego can be offended.

I am not here for you swami, so I will try to find a few like minds and just PM them.
You put down the entire shroomery in your first line. I am protective of my brethren here.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: Swami]
    #2120068 - 11/18/03 04:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Why did you only quote those few words of mine? None of your arguments are serious they are jokes. You cut up my quotes and make a joke not a counter-argument a joke. Later


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2120118 - 11/18/03 04:19 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2120128 - 11/18/03 04:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Swami,

Why are you busting my balls so much about believing in spirits. Shroomism believes in Aliens. OR at least thats the gist I got from quick reading a post of his/hers. I didn't see you going over to Shroomisms thread and busting his balls about his beliefs. Maybe, thats becasue he is a Mod. I would appreciate if you would not mock my religious beliefs with your jokes. Have a nice life. thank you very much.

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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: medicinebag]
    #2120179 - 11/18/03 04:40 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Think again.. he's been busting my balls about it for 4 years.  :grin:
I'm just used to it and I guess he got tired of it :shrug:
Probably because you're fresh meat
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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: Shroomism]
    #2120294 - 11/18/03 05:25 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I promise you, Swami, If you don't reply to any of my threads I won't reply to any of yours. I would prefer my threads not to be "crapped" up by someone who apparently doesn't like me on a personal level. Thanks for the welcomme, Bro. Later.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: Shroomism]
    #2120337 - 11/18/03 05:44 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Not enough people were interested in real change, so I will not continue the class. Seems that for some, change comes from watching the Matrix and discussing aliens.

So I am back to my role as Heyoka.





awwww, thats really too bad, SWAMI. seriously, I was interested in what you had to say, though the first couple excercises were a little patronizing.

As for the arguements going on in this thread (and all the others for that matter) I think it would make true commincation a lot easier if the cominicatee made some effort to get inside the frame of reference of the communicator.

When medicinebag said "treat it like a whore" I understood exactly what he was saying, though I do not treat whores in the fashion he was refering to ("to be used and thrown away"). But I acknowledge that from certain frames of reference, thats what being treated like a whore means, and was able to understand what he was saying. Sometimes logicians read far too little into things. I guess its being a bit of an empath that gives me the ability to see through the eyes of someone who is trying to tell me something.

Shitty communication does not imply wrongness in the principles underlying that communication. We are all poor communicators, because language is a shitty way to communicate.

So just chill. The basic Idea that medicinebag was trying to express was that attitude towards psychedlics in the mind of the user influences their effects on that user. Apparently medicinebag doesn't think that proper attitude can be maintained while dancing at a rave or having sex on psychedelics. I disagree with that, but I don't disagree with the statement that one must approach psychedelics with a proper attitude if one is to benefit from them fully. Furthermore, I forgive medicinebag for his false conclusions, because the data is very skewed (meaning most people who go to raves or have sex trippin probably don't have the right attitude about psychedlics) and it is quite possible that he has never come accross a rare exception to this general trend in his personal experience.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: Shroomism]
    #2120342 - 11/18/03 05:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I view the the medicine as another consciousness. That consciousness is indifferent to me unless I provoke it to act a certain way. If i act toward it with disregard, it does the same to me. If i act toward it with fear, it does the same to me. If i am reverant of it, it will respect me and help me anyway it can. If i happen to develop a long term relationship with this consciousness, unless we keep respecting each other it becomes the usual control bullshit that comes out of normal relationships.

Notice that after that 341st hit of acid the people who use it for parties will freak out and decide they don't need to be trippin' anymore. Notice that a relationship based on respect and love will never even encoutner that kind of conflict (unless it is desired, in which case it is for evolution) and will often last forever, or until both parties have learned everything they can from each other.


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Re: Showing proper respect when approaching a powerplant. [Re: jiva]
    #2120380 - 11/18/03 05:57 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Jiva,

Thanks for the reply. It is most welcome. It's good to know that Swami doesn't speak for the entire SandP forum. Later. Peace.

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