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Unfolding Nature Shop: Unfolding Nature: Being in the Implicate Order

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Re: astrology [Re: question_for_joo]
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:lol:

Stars and the moon do affect our lives, via circadian rythms, hormonal reactions etc... anything else is just speculation though.


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"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: astrology [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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The moon - yes; the stars - no.

Me reaching for my beer has more gravitational affect on you than the nearest star (disregrading our sun).


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Re: astrology [Re: Swami]
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That's true, but take hundreds of billions of stars, planets, a few supermassive black holes, and all those tiny gravitional affects may add up to be a slightly less insignificant gravitional affect.


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Re: astrology [Re: Ravus]
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Moosehead vs. The Galaxy; who would win?


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Re: astrology [Re: Swami]
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*The sun*


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: astrology [Re: Swami]
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Get a 12 pack and find out :smile:


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: astrology [Re: Ravus]
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Your intuition that there's no reasonable scientific explanation as to how the other planets in the solar system could possibly control the personalities of human beings born on Earth is correct of course. There's no way anyone could make any sort of reasonable argument for the mechanism for astrology based on conventional physics.

If you're really interested to know the mechanism for how astrology works I'll tell you but you have to ask nice.


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Re: astrology [Re: question_for_joo]
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Supposedly electromagnetic induction, some degrees of it have been shown by Russian scientists in 1994 (I think)... but nothing conclusive.

Or are you suggesting something else?


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: astrology [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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Actually the closest that science comes to explaining things such as astrology or reading form coffe cups or beans is not in such an external connection like suggested here but in theory of chaos which suggests that all complex systems might have a hidden pattern, and if such a pattern were to be discovered, you could predict stock market dynamics and movement of bacteria with the same formula.


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Re: astrology [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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electromagnetism is conventional science.
it's something much much simpler.


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Re: astrology [Re: question_for_joo]
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Why don't you enlighten us all on how astrology can work without the help of conventional physics?


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Re: astrology [Re: Ravus]
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I did not feel any love in that. I felt like I was being ordered by the drill seargent from Full Metal Jacket.


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Re: astrology [Re: Ravus]
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Of course it is something much simpler, it's conformity to a belief. Astrology is a system structured enough as to produce mindless followers who will believe it to their death, and so their horoscopes may become self-fulfilling prophecies and their signs contain self-fulfilling traits.


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Re: astrology [Re: Swami]
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Me reaching for my beer has more gravitational affect on you than the nearest star

This is only true if you don't drink lite beer.  :grin:


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: astrology [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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Psychoactive1984 said:
:lol: Do a search.... take the earth's precession and the original 13 sign system that was later changed to coincide with seasonal changes to 12 signs.... please, look it up.
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I'll get you some links if you want.
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12 sign I'm a Gemini.
13 sign I'm a Taurus
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Account for the Earth's precession in the system, calculate the difference, and your system is even more fucked then it already was.


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Maybe we all have two signs.....!?    :shocked:  :shrug:


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Re: astrology [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
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:shocked:! Maybe we're all signs?


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"Their is one overriding question that concerns us all: How can we get out of the fatal groove we are in, the one that is leading towards the brink?" Albert Szent-Gyorgyi
"We may not be capable of eradicating the corruption of reason, but we must nevertheless counter it at every instance and with every means." Dan Agin
"Politics is the best religion and politicians are the worst followers."
-It's ok to trip as long as you don't fall.
-Substance over Style.
-Common sense is uncommon.

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Re: astrology [Re: Psychoactive1984]
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I've studied astrology a while.. I can't say its perfect but its proven right more often then not.  Whenever everyone gets snappy and people start having problems with cars and work if I check I see that mercury is in retrograde.  People that are "water signs" seem to usually be more emotional, even if they don't perfectly match their descriptions.  All I can say is this:

1) Most people that say astrology is bs have only read the stuff they sell at gas stations and grocery stores.  If you won't be bothered to read up on the subject at least try astro.com for free for a *slightly* better reading - you won't get a good one without a professional astrologer doing it personally since there is a lot to mix together.  Just because you have a particular brand of coffee you like doesn't mean it will taste anything like someone else who drinks the same brand - there are a lot more ingredients and environmental effects that are added and mixed which change the flavor, and the same goes with astrology - being an Aries means nothing if you don't know the rest of the ingredients.

2) I don't know how the physics of it would work, but I also don't know how the physics of energy-work happen yet I can do it - probably because no one has proven to me that I can not.  The person who claims science as it is is perfect has never studied the history (or present) of science.

3) Yes the stars have changed from the days the astrological calendar was set up.  If you look up what the signs mean now versus then you will also note that perceptions have changed as well.  Just because they kept the names does not mean that old astrology books are considered holy documents by most astrologers.

4) If you can't live without some theories, try these on for size.  Perhaps the reason astrology works more often then not is because we all share a universal conciousness. Perhaps enough people in it happen to believe in astrology that it affects even those who do not but who are still connected the human race.  Perhaps the constelations are nothing more then guidelines that people used to mark time, but the real effect came from other sources such as shifts in the earth's magnetic field, the position of planets, or who knows what, that happen to roughly coincide with the constelations.  So even if the constelations are off perhaps enough the real causes have remained to have an effect.  Who knows, be imaginative, people who were out to prove something is impossible only succeeded if they worked with math - otherwise the most anyone has ever proven is that the reason behind something has not been discovered yet.  (Just look at quantum physics - how many "impossible things" has that branch of science disproven since it began?)

5) The most useful thing I've gotten out of astrology hasn't had anything to do with planets.  By studying astrology you learn a lot about certain personality archetypes that exist and their properties.  When I meet someone I have a good chance to discern their archetype (without having to figure out their sign) and avoid hitting the wrong buttons.  Most of the time it works great and I can't remember the last time I had a person be angry with me if I didn't want them to be angry. (current readers perhaps not counting :wink:)  I am not always right mind you, but I've never been critically wrong.

As far as I am concerned any study that has survived a few centuries has something worth learning, even if that 'something' is not always what is being advertised on the poster.  But that's just my take on it, use it as you will. :smile:

Edited by Nocforweb (05/05/05 04:36 AM)

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Re: astrology [Re: Nocforweb]
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Yes the stars have changed from the days the astrological calendar was set up. If you look up what the signs mean now versus then you will also note that perceptions have changed as well. Just because they kept the names does not mean that old astrology books are considered holy documents by most astrologers.

Please provide a link to evidence that ancient astrological interpretation of the signs is shifted by one sign from what it is today.

Perhaps the reason astrology works more often then not

Please provide a link to a controlled study showing evidence that astrology works at all, let alone more often than not. If this stuff works as well as you claim, such a study should be a cakewalkt to set up.

If you can't live without some theories...
Perhaps enough people in it happen to...
Perhaps the constelations are...

Invented explanations that have nothing to do with the available observations are not theories.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

Edited by Diploid (05/05/05 05:19 AM)

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Re: astrology [Re: Diploid]
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can you explain the earth's precession and how it explains (or rather debunks) astrology? I do not quite understand. thanks.

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Re: astrology [Re: Vvellum]
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Sure, check it out:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/4137306/an/0/page/0


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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