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OfflineAvastYe
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DMT vs. Salvia
    #4037307 - 04/10/05 03:48 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I'm sure this is comparing apples to oranges, but can anybody offer me a comparison of these two substances? Which is stronger? Which is more "pleasurable"? I know the answers to these questions are exceedingly variable, but any advice is welcome. Both of these are obviously exceedingly powerful, but a cursory glance through the search posts didn't reveal any threads directly contrasting one to the other.

Basically, I'm looking for an intense psychedelic experience (I've tried relatively high doses of shrooms and acid before, loved 'em) and I was looking to either invest in some salvia or a mimosa hostilis bark root extraction. Any suggestions? Experiences?


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: AvastYe]
    #4037314 - 04/10/05 03:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

From what i've heard you might wanna try salvia before DMT. Though I doubt anythign could prepair you for whats to come when you breakthrough on either of them.


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: AvastYe]
    #4037462 - 04/10/05 04:52 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

DMT is generally regarded to be about the strongest psychedelic experience you can get. salvia is also very strong; sends you into an entirely different reality.


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: alsey]
    #4037786 - 04/10/05 06:19 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

My salvia experience was enough to convince me that there are some doors in my mind that are better left closed for the time being. If you've tripped balls on acid before then you might like salvia a bit more than I did, but don't think that you'll be able to control your trip at all if you do it. Salvia is one of those things that the sooner you acknowledge that you're weaker than it, the nicer it will be to you. Buy some 10x extract, take a hit and say goodbye to reality.

While I don't have any firsthand experience with DMT, from what I gather it's a similar kind of trip except chemically synthesized and more versatile (not just limited to smoking it). For my money, I'd choose salvia simply because it's easier to come by IME, and because I don't like putting an artificial chemical into my body without knowing DAMN sure what it'll do to me (my knowledge of DMT is anecdotal to say the least.)


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: WillieTomg]
    #4037810 - 04/10/05 06:26 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Welcome to the shroomery :sun:!

DMT is found in nature, just letting you know. In plants, in animals, in you (it's produced in the pineal gland in your brain). Psilocin (you, know it, it's in those mushrooms :wink:) is 4-HO-DMT essentially it's DMT that's orally active without an MAOI.


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: AvastYe]
    #4037901 - 04/10/05 07:01 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

salvia is like getting dragged into a swamp, abandoned, and getting lost
dmt is like taking a warp-speed rocket to the center of the universe


for me at least


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: WillieTomg]
    #4037904 - 04/10/05 07:03 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

WillieTomg said:

While I don't have any firsthand experience with DMT, from what I gather it's a similar kind of trip except chemically synthesized and more versatile (not just limited to smoking it).





no they are nothing alike


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: Help on the Way]
    #4037980 - 04/10/05 07:29 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ah! Thank you for the warm welcome and the responses.

Slipknot: You seem to have some experience with these. Would it be fair to make the following analogy?

Salvia : Shrooms :: DMT : Acid
?
i.e. does it seem like salvia has that more emotional, organic ("swampy" I guess, haha) feel characteristic to shrooms, as opposed to the spacey-ness fractal-ly-ness of acid (or DMT, I guess)? Or do both of them blast you so far out of reality that it's not meaningful to make a comparison?

Ha, sorry, I know it's really hard to put psychedelic experiences into words. I'm just trying to get a bearing on them in terms of other psychedelics that I can relate to.


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: AvastYe]
    #4038060 - 04/10/05 07:49 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've only done shrooms, but from what I gather, people usually hate their salvia experience, and love their DMT experience. Thats just waht ive noticed though, could be wrong.


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: AvastYe]
    #4038111 - 04/10/05 07:59 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

that analogy sorta makes sense...but not really cause dmt is alot more like both shrooms and acid than salvia is

i personally didn't hate my salvia experiences, but they dont come near dmt in my opinion


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: Help on the Way]
    #4038406 - 04/10/05 09:30 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I'd choose salvia simply because it's easier to come by IME, and because I don't like putting an artificial chemical into my body




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DMT is found in nature, just letting you know.




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no they are nothing alike





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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: AvastYe]
    #4038645 - 04/10/05 10:31 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

I've found them both to be quite similar for me. I know a lot of people don't feel that way.

Salvia is a little darker maybe. But some motifs seem to be the same in both worlds for me. I have had the occasional divinatory experience on salvia and never on dmt. They are both truly mindblow/bending experiences. Wow! :thumbup:


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: AvastYe]
    #4038697 - 04/10/05 10:43 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The only similarity they contain for me is that they're both intense and short-lived.

Salvia is comparable to someone breaking my spine, putting me in the middle of a desert and scrambling my entire perception. To the outside observer I often don't even seem messed up, but mentally I feel completely alien all of a sudden, like I've lost control of my body and my mind. It then drags you into a trance and will probably show you weird things you'll never understand, and 5 minutes later you're back, sweating and hot, wondering what the fuck just happened.

DMT is much better for me, while completely alien it's in a more colorful and euphoric way, and resembles actual hallucinogens taken to a new intensity.

Salvia does not compare to acid or mushrooms, the analogy fails really. If anything, I'd say salvia : DXM/ ketamine :: DMT : acid / mushrooms, but that's just a basic point of reference, and as soon as you do it you'll realize how much it fails. I actually love dissociatives, both DXM and ketamine, they really open up my thoughts and radically change my perception and thoughts, while salvia is similar in that it radically changes my perception in a dissociative type way, it contains none of the euphoria or mental control of dissociatives.

This is just my personal experience, but for both you're going to need a lot of mental preparation. For salvia, you'll need to make sure you're really comfortable and prepared to let go of every bit of current mental and physical control you possess. For DMT, you have to relax and be ready to blast off into new corners of your mind.


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: Ravus]
    #4038721 - 04/10/05 10:50 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Actually, you we are not weaker than salvia. The experience can actually be navigated, and it's like facing your fears in a dream. Once you realize that this unknown force really can't hurt you and that you are as powerful as anything else, it becomes nicer. One use for salvia by the Mazatecan natives, is to find lost objects. Most all people who use or try salvia aren't really looking for anything specific, and don't know how to work with the experience, or get anything good (good isn't really the word i want to use) out of it.

I've wrote a little about the DMT experience in either Trip Tips or General Questions a day or two ago..


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: Icelander]
    #4038871 - 04/10/05 11:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Icelander said:
I have had the occasional divinatory experience on salvia and never on dmt.




:shocked: :confused: :rolleyes:


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: Help on the Way]
    #4038896 - 04/10/05 11:46 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ahhh, see, I tried DXM once and disliked it. It just seemed like a struggle to stay afloat, and I while I certainly can see where DXM afficianados are coming from, the experience wasn't for me

I'm leaning towards DMT at this point, but contributions/suggestions are quite welcome! Thanks for all the responses!


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: AvastYe]
    #4038930 - 04/10/05 11:57 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Ha, I just realized that somebody is probably going to say now:

"You shouldn't have fought to stay afloat! If you fight it it will turn bad! Blah blah blah blah ego struggle blah blah"

That's not really what it was. On my shroom and acid experiences I was able to go with the flow and maintain positivity throughout most of the trip, and when things turned bad or paranoid I seemed to understand that fighting it only made it worse. On DXM, it seemed like I would have slipped into something awful unless I maintained a conscious struggle--difficult to explain, but I think that was the right move given the circumstances


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: Ravus]
    #4039053 - 04/11/05 12:30 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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both DXM and ketamine, they really open up my thoughts and radically change my perception and thoughts, while salvia is similar in that it radically changes my perception in a dissociative type way, it contains none of the euphoria or mental control of dissociatives.




Salvia I would say. It has left me with an experiance that I think about almost everyday. Like you say, you can't compare LSD/Mushrooms to salvia. Salvia showed me parts of my soul that I never knew I could get too. I experianced feelings I didn't know we're possible, and I now walk with a lighter step.


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: Civ]
    #4039199 - 04/11/05 01:04 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, salvia is a bunch of BS. if your looking for a bad trip, i got some random mushrooms growing out in my backyard, im sure they'll give you a near death experience nightmare.

DMT has a much more strong respected spirit than salvia. Plus DMT has 5 faces.


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Re: DMT vs. Salvia [Re: Abermelin]
    #4039444 - 04/11/05 01:58 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

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yeah, salvia is a bunch of BS. if your looking for a bad trip, i got some random mushrooms growing out in my backyard, im sure they'll give you a near death experience nightmare.

DMT has a much more strong respected spirit than salvia. Plus DMT has 5 faces.




That's a pretty snide remark. Just because you never got anything from salvia when you did it, doesn't mean that the experience is shit.

I was fortunate to find my salvia "sweet spot" and I always have the most wonderfully euphoric experiences. I'd suppose people would consider them mild if you're just grading them on how fucked up you get. lol. But while I take lower doses I find it a lot more psychological and speedy. It feels like a good, very natural rush.

Weird alien thoughts are good for tearing down the barriars of egotism. Not to mention fun as hell. Even when salvia scares the pants off me I feel great.


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