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Faith and Reason
    #3977977 - 03/27/05 11:50 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Faith is a very important spiritual quality that is fading into obscurity because of our improper understanding of the word. The more we build up contempt for the word "faith", the more we lose touch with it's actual meaning.

Most people do not properly understand the meaning of the word "faith". "Faith" is not simply "belief in something without logical or material evidence." This is only half the story. In reality, the word "faith" means "a willingness to suspend one's judgements while unconventional possibilities are explored." In this way, faith is very scientific and very necessary for the pursuit of knowledge, whether it be scientific or religious knowledge.

When we resign ourself to ideas without logical or material evidence, we are not acting in faith. We are acting in sloth, which is the opposite of faith. Faith implies a kind of vigilience, a kind of willingness to accept the truth, whatever that may turn out to be. Simply believing in something because it is convenient or because we are afraid to believe something else is not faith. It is belief. Science cannot progress without an element of faith at it's core. Without faith, the scientific process begins to degenerate. In the same way, when religions lose their quality of faith, they begin to degenerate. It is because without faith, the wish to move forward is supplanted by the desire to maintain what is presently known and understood.

At present, we believe that the desire to maintain a status-quo is something which is properly associated with the word "faith". We believe this because many groups of people who profess to have faith in fact have none, and have only the desire to maintain what is presently known and understood. We need to understand compassionately that such people are not faithful people, and not allow them to destroy our understanding of faith and it's benefits.

If we have a belief, and some new information arrives which undermines our belief and threatens to replace it with a new one, a person with faith will happily accept the change. This is as relevant to science as it is to religion. The difference is that the scientific community right now demonstrates this capacity more readily than the most visible religious communities. Many scientific circles demonstrate a lack of faith, but these are less visible because we have such a high opinion of science. For example, many classical physicists are quick to reject modern physics because it undermines the old principles. By the same token, many religious circles are free from the destructive influence of dogma, but these are almost invisible to us because we have such a low opinion of religion. For example, in Tibetan Buddhism and Taoism, as well as some Christian schools, it is the primary directive that the disciple should verify what is taught for themselves.

Faith without reason is sloth, and reason without faith is idle. We need to combine the two if we wish to progess on any path toward knowledge and insight.


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Re: Faith and Reason [Re: Ped]
    #3978081 - 03/28/05 12:07 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

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Faith implies a kind of vigilience, a kind of willingness to accept the truth, whatever that may turn out to be. Simply believing in something because it is convenient or because we are afraid to believe something else is not faith.





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Re: Faith and Reason [Re: Ped]
    #3978284 - 03/28/05 01:01 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Ped said:
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Faith implies a kind of vigilience, a kind of willingness to accept the truth, whatever that may turn out to be. Simply believing in something because it is convenient or because we are afraid to believe something else is not faith.




HHhhhmmmm....  Are you attempting to describe what "Faith" means to me, or to you....?  (you kept saying "we"....)    :wink:
I have faith that you might believe when I say, "Thank you, but I will decide myself what "Faith" means to me"....  :grin:   

Hope ya~ had a nice Easter....!    :heart:

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Re: Faith and Reason [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #3979769 - 03/28/05 12:19 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Faith= being the first to test out a parachute from a mile high.
Reason= pointing out all the things that could occur by jumping out da plane.

reasoning,rationalizing,justification....all bi-products of yellow belly syndrome.


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Re: Faith and Reason [Re: Ped]
    #8195144 - 03/26/08 04:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If we combine faith and reason wouldn't we be stuck with one true answer? We might as well die since our answers have been all answered. That's self defeating, Maybe why it wont happen to the extent needed.


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Re: Faith and Reason [Re: Felinor]
    #8195427 - 03/26/08 08:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Wow.

This thread is four years old.

I was going to say how I don't remember seeing Skorpivo around in a while...


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Re: Faith and Reason [Re: Ped]
    #8195498 - 03/26/08 08:59 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Faith implies a kind of vigilience, a kind of willingness to accept the truth, whatever that may turn out to be.


Does faith really imply that? I think the word's connotations in our society do not imply that at all, but the opposite: the willingness to cling to one version of truth in the face of contradictory viewpoints, even against scientific evidence (like Creationism vs. dinosaurs). Why use the word faith at all? Certainly one must suspend judgment if one is to analyze objectively...I don't see that as faith, really, as much as open-mindedness. I see what you are saying when you use the word, I just think it is meaningless because of all its baggage, like 'God'.


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Re: Faith and Reason [Re: Lion]
    #8195533 - 03/26/08 09:17 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I just think it is meaningless because of all its baggage, like 'God'.





Or like 'Samsonite'...


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Re: Faith and Reason [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #8195542 - 03/26/08 09:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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JacquesCousteau said:
Wow.

This thread is four years old.

I was going to say how I don't remember seeing Skorpivo around in a while...


Oh wow, I definitely did not realize that when I posted. :blush:


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