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myth Busted, wbs....
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well im sure you have all read about how to remove your sunflower seeds from your wbs. well for me it takes along ass time to get them all out sense they dont all float. and i was always paranoid about them, plus i am anal about shit like that,( im not gona do it half ass)

well i didnt soak enough wbs  and ended up with an empty jar and theres room for all 12 jars in my pcer :smile: so i decided to dig the sunflower seeds out of the trash that i picked out and filled up this jar with them. well it colonised very good as you can see. it actualy was the 3rd jar finished, i also only used half a cc to shoot it up. looks like very strong growth in there as well:)

so after all that talk of it will  or can cause contams  blah blah blah i dont by it anymore.  [image][/image]

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: 88mustanggt]
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Good to know, thanks for the info.


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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: pshawny]
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Yea, I dont know why people soak either, I just used the "foolproof WBS meathod" no soaking, probly didnt have to remove the floaters either...


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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Sko]
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Sko said:
probly didnt have to remove the floaters either...


I never have, nor have I ever bothered to remove the sunflower seeds


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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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whats the fool proof method?

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: 88mustanggt]
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You can colonize almost anything w/ the right ph, Fruiting it is what really matters.

Now if you could Fruit some mushies from it, i'd defiently be impressed and change my thoughts on floaters, till then :smirk:

But it colonized nice, Gl

-Gnostic


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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: 88mustanggt]
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88mustanggt said:
whats the fool proof method?


nothing is fool proof for fools are ingenious and will find a way

everyone finds a method that they prefer, I soak or simmer, I've always had trouble with the lazy mans ways of doing it, aparently I'm not lazy enough.
even if I find a stick in the mix, it goes in the PC


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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Soak the seed for 24 hrs. Put the seed in collander and rinse all the funky soak water off of it. Drain the seed in a collander for 2 hrs. Load jars 2/3 full. Add filtered lid of choice. PC 90 minutes@15psi. Allow grain to cool to the touch and tap the jars against your palm to break up grains. Allow the jars to cool completely and tap them again to disperse the remaining condensation evenly throughout the grain. Knock'em up.

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Hotnuts]
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And sunflower seeds are fine. They contain lignin, which is essential in sturdy growth for vegetation.

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Sko]
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imo soaking is still good, i see a faster colonization time with soaked and simmered rather than not.


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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: TODAY]
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alright ill make a minni casing out of it? does that sound gooD?

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: TODAY]
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TODAY said:
imo soaking is still good, i see a faster colonization time with soaked and simmered rather than not.


Agreed! But no simmer is needed.

Edited by hotnutz (03/01/05 10:58 PM)

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Hotnuts]
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eh, I'll try soakin my WBS next time, but I was in a bit of a hurry, also doing quarts need quite a few soaking bowls...

BTW, only PCed for 45 mins each, and no contams ^^


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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Sko]
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No worries with the simmering. If your in a hurry the simmer will speed the hydration up. I've simmered seed for an hour and drained and pc'd with no probs. If you soak for 24 hrs, there is no need.

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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>>>>>>even if I find a stick in the mix, it goes in the PC<<<

Next week someone will be asking about the "stick tek".
P-1, you may have created a stick tek myth.


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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: agar]
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I'm soon to be working on that one as well, I have been curious about pine bark


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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I put a huge pot full of wbs and then slowly heat it until the seed absorbs most of the water, expanding the kernals and seed. This is nice because it soaks fast #1, #2 then you can put it into bags or jars and it doesn't expand inside those(i.e. stays the same since when it was precooked).

So I should make a method of it, its like the fast soak pre cook method.


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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Fluxburn]
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is wbs better than rye berries? less likely for contams? i always get over 50% loss to contams...


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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: wds]
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wds said:
is wbs better than rye berries? less likely for contams? i always get over 50% loss to contams...


I've fooled around with them both. And to be honest with ya, rye is a little better IMO for fruiting. Now i use wbs for bulk spawning.

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: wds]
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IMHO, rye is a little better of a performer fruiting than wbs. But i like wbs for bulk spawning.

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Hotnuts]
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hotnutz said:
TODAY said:
imo soaking is still good, i see a faster colonization time with soaked and simmered rather than not.


Agreed! But no simmer is needed.


through experimentation, soaked and simmered vs just soaked has lead me to believe that soaked and simmered for 20ish minutes works alot better than just soaking. colonization time is faster.


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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: TODAY]
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i have soaked and simmerd everytime i have done it, i guess i should try

A) just soak
B)just simmer
C)just add the right amount of water and pc, i just dont know how much that would be so that would be hard.

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: TODAY]
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Anyone have any theories why soaking and/or simmering wbs would lead to faster colonization over properly hydrated seed that doesn't go through this process? Or is it just that--an easier, more guaranteed way to get the optimal water content?
Thanks guys!

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: korins]
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I am glad that korins has asked this very question. I have found that as far as colonization speed is concerned, the sunflower seeds or soaking/simmering do not change the speed. A FOAF raced 10 different jars of WBS, and although the level of growth differed in each jar at various times, they all finished within a few days of each other. IMHO, the soaking/simmering allows the WBS to soak up even more water. If you've ever simmered WBS, then you know that the kernels almost double in size after a good simmer. I assume that this would create larger flushes, considering the mushrooms would have a larger water supply to draw from.

I think that if you are going to just case the WBS directly, then removing the seeds and simmering will be your best bet. (removing the seeds would maximize the water retention by volume, as sunflower seeds don't absorb much water.)

But if you are planning on spawning bulk substrate, the seeds and the soaking probably don't matter as much as just having a lot of mycelium to transfer to your bulk.

My friend just leaves the seed intact, soaks for 24 hours, rinses ina collander, then PC's for 60 minutes. Works fine for him.


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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: korins]
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korins said:
Anyone have any theories why soaking and/or simmering wbs would lead to faster colonization over properly hydrated seed that doesn't go through this process? Or is it just that--an easier, more guaranteed way to get the optimal water content?
Thanks guys!


I think the faster colonization probably has something to do with softening/breaking down the shell of the grain. This would allow for the mycelium to more easily "harvest" the nutrients in the grain.

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Twister]
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Its the best way to get proper water content. Soaking is fine by itself, IMO though, if your fruiting it, your missing out if you dont simmer. Extra water=extra yeild. Soaked and simmered rye (performs better then WBS fruiting directly IMO)




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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: scatmanrav]
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scatmanrav said:
Its the best way to get proper water content. Soaking is fine by itself, IMO though, if your fruiting it, your missing out if you dont simmer. Extra water=extra yeild. Soaked and simmered rye (performs better then WBS fruiting directly IMO)




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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Hotnuts]
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how long you guys let drain?

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Hotnuts]
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Those boxes were done Thursday night, G2G from 2 qts of multispore. Not quite 6 days and they're almost done. 2 tablespoons per qt.

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: 88mustanggt]
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88mustanggt said:
how long you guys let drain?


I drain for 2 hours. Hell you can drain for more than that if you want. Millet holds moisture really well. As far as the sunflower seeds, they don't. But that doesn't matter.

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: 88mustanggt]
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88mustanggt said:
how long you guys let drain?


I always add about 10% verm to my grains when they drain. After draining for about 20 minutes..pour in dry verm and mix it around. The grains should all be fully swelled with water, but the outsides shouldnt really look wet.


24 hour soak, wbs in one, rye in the other

Rye/wbs mix being strained after the simmer. Notice the steam. I never rinse my grain once, right after the simmer the water steams right off, also why it only takes me 10-20 minutes to drain that much grain (to the point where verm can be mixed in)

The mixture with verm fully strained and ready to be PCed:

After pressure cooking:

La de da:




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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Hotnuts]
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i drain for about 45 minutes, mizing the WBS around w/ my hand to make sure the real moist stuff on the bottom gets some air as well, and i also tilt the strainer to drain a couple times... when i can physically not get any more to drain, i then jar and PC

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: SoK]
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Damn Scat! I thought i had my hands full!

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Hotnuts]
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hotnutz said:
Damn Scat! I thought i had my hands full!


my thoughts as well!!


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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: TODAY]
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Scat, you may be a dick, but you sure know how to catch a cultivator's interst :thumbup:

Liking the cardboard around the jars, water+cardboard=Fun
:smirk:

-Gnostic

And yea, verm+grains...nice :thumbup:,i might try that next time around


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For the sake of those seeking knowledge.
I've provided some in my signature.
Double Tek Pictorial
Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Soaking wbs - The Final Answer by Agar
50/50 Coco Coir versus 50/50 Peat Moss.

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: scatmanrav]
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Good input guys! I agree that if fruiting wbs directly or even casing it, the water content is very important. Don't you all agree though, that once the wbs is transferred to a bulk substrate, the water content it had is far less important?

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: korins]
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agreed korins... the water content for the grains is important when they're being colonized... when spawning w/ grains, the water content of the fully colonized grains doesn't really matter, but that importance of water content is passed on to the bulk subs before being spawned too, and i would say that thats even more important

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
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IGnosticAbhorI said:
Liking the cardboard around the jars, water+cardboard=Fun
:smirk:



I recommend against this, but I'm so clean that its not usually a problem. I also stopped the tub in tub incubator, I use a dry warmed closet, no water. Still not a good practice, but with that many jars, its easier to transport and take the chance of a problem. I did have a bit of green grow on a peice of cardboard once..never got in the jar though. The tyvek is a much better barrier then verm/foil and with grains I've found even green mold growing on the top of the tyvek doesnt contam the jar (had 4 like that from being flipped and none contamed even when cased).


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: 88mustanggt]
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didn't mycelium5150 aka Tahoe or I bust this myth a few weeks ago.
Great topic name, almost just like mycelium5150's signature


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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: tahoe]
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I'm not sure, have you gotten pics of that cake flambe posted yet


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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: Prisoner#1]
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat...47e#Post3795969


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Stop experimenting half way through your first grow. Grow it to maturity, watch it, learn from it. Do this a few times then experiment with different ideas and figure out what works best for you.


My Legacy
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22140987#22140987

Teh=The
I need to proofread

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: tahoe]
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tahoe said:
didn't mycelium5150 aka Tahoe or I bust this myth a few weeks ago.
Great topic name, almost just like mycelium5150's signature


Did you? I thought your post had to do with not soaking and simmering. Did you read this post before replying? The myth busted has to do with straight sunflower seeds colonizing without contams. Perhaps I missed your colonized sunflower seed jar?

Not that this myth hasnt been busted before....


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"life is like a drop of rain getting closer and closer to falling into a lake, and then when you hit the lake there is no more rain drop, only the lake."

Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay

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Re: myth Busted, wbs.... [Re: scatmanrav]
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i spawned it into a 5 gallon bucket with poo and straw today. well se how she goes. i dont even think theres a chance of problem. maybe the seeds growing or somthing hahahahaha.

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