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WBS... To simmer or not to simmer
    #3248218 - 10/12/04 07:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

So i soaked this batch of WBS in some Karo water for 24 hours. It's not a lot of Karo, infact for the volume i filled up it was nearly nothing once i mixed it around. BUT! i did not simmer, and now i'm thinking that i have to. I've read many a guide on WBS, and they all say to simmer, although i've run across numerous other postings and people that say they just let them sit and then PC.

Do i have to simmer to get the correct water content? My jars have plenty of water around them, i'm just not sure how much water is actually in them. On a side note, simmering is a little out of my available options right now, so is there any other way of acheiving the correct water ratio?


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: Hrethic]
    #3248230 - 10/12/04 07:23 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I found that simmering any grain until it just starts to split and then draining very well. Then load jars and PC

Makes for very, very nice first flush

If I am using grain for inculating Straw/poo then I just soak for 24 hours and no simmer. The grains stay firm and after fully colinized the myc breaks apart very easly.


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: Hrethic]
    #3248232 - 10/12/04 07:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I simmered last time and I didn't notice any difference than when I hadn't simmered previous times before that. I just soak the birdseed for 8-10 hours then load it up in quart jars and pressure cook it. Just make sure and let the birdseed drain very well so you don't have excess water slowing down your colonization.


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: Chimera]
    #3248249 - 10/12/04 07:28 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Drain well... like for a few minutes or a few hours?


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: Hrethic]
    #3248261 - 10/12/04 07:30 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I usually place it in a strainer and shake it around for a good five minutes. Come back five minutes later and shake it some more. Eventually, when water stops dripping off of the birdseed - that's when I load them into the quart jars. Shouldn't take more than around 15 minutes.


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: Chimera]
    #3248380 - 10/12/04 07:56 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

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I usually place it in a strainer and shake it around for a good five minutes. Come back five minutes later and shake it some more. Eventually, when water stops dripping off of the birdseed - that's when I load them into the quart jars. Shouldn't take more than around 15 minutes.





Same goes here!Same procedure!



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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: Chimera]
    #3248454 - 10/12/04 08:11 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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I usually place it in a strainer and shake it around for a good five minutes. Come back five minutes later and shake it some more. Eventually, when water stops dripping off of the birdseed - that's when I load them into the quart jars. Shouldn't take more than around 15 minutes.



I let mine drain for a good 30 minutes, still plenty of moisture and less chance of being to much and staling growth. =)


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: iluan]
    #3248511 - 10/12/04 08:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

simmering is awesome.its like 20 min.s and bam .into the pc-and inoc.done within half day/.i dont have the patience otherwise.


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: botanisthype]
    #3248542 - 10/12/04 08:33 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I just soak night before i wana use it, then drain, load in PC and done.. cuts out the simmer time, cause i'm way to lazy to add a step!


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: iluan]
    #3248718 - 10/12/04 09:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm about to go buy some WBS, and I'm having a difficult time finding the WBS tek on the site.

You can shake WBS, right?


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: discman1]
    #3248771 - 10/12/04 09:20 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yes and no
If you just soak and Pc then shaking is no problem
But if you soak and simmer then shaking becomes hard.

Another tip about using Bird seed.

The very best seed is for FINCHES

Do not use the universal bird seed with 50% sunflower seeds or worse don't use the universal seed with something that looks like it has crushed little brown beans in it. I fyou use that you will have a high failure rate.

FINCH FOOD :thumbup: It's millet based and is the very best :laugh:


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3248782 - 10/12/04 09:24 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hmmm.... I see.

Well, I don't really want WBS cakes, I want to case.. so I guess I won't be simmering?

brown nuts? Like this?


Edited by discman1 (10/12/04 09:29 PM)


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: discman1]
    #3248817 - 10/12/04 09:32 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Dude if you are casing I would simmer the grain. Simmering puts the maxium amount of water into the grain. I hear alot of people saying they see no difference in fruiting, Simmering verse not simmering

But I found I get about 25% more fruit by simmering until grains just start to split.


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: discman1]
    #3248826 - 10/12/04 09:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yup that pic of Seed is exactly what you don't want

FINCH FOOD is what you want. Millet based bird seed.


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3248830 - 10/12/04 09:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ahh, Ok. Dur, I wasn't thinking right. I want to shake to reduce colonization times.. of course it can still be broken up afterwards.

Is that a good idea?


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: discman1]
    #3248889 - 10/12/04 09:48 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Yes I just did g2g with my colonized jars and It didnt hurt them at all You will be fine!


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: discman1]
    #3248920 - 10/12/04 09:54 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Like I said before I find that extra spores and a very good shaking right after inoculation is the best method. I never need to shake them again. The Myc starts growing on every single grain. Then 9-12 days later Presto there done.


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3249026 - 10/12/04 10:14 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Ahh, I see. Ok, thanks! Can't wait to try this.


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: discman1]
    #3249247 - 10/12/04 10:52 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I rinsed my birdseed today and I've had it soaking since about 4, so about 7 hours now. Would you guys say that's a safe enough time span? I wanted to let it soak for about 12, but that'd mean I would have to wake up at 4 in the morning to drain it and theres no way in hell I'll do that. So if I drain it now, rinse it a few times, then simmer for 25 minutes, I should be fine? I really wanna inoc these babies tomorrow morning.


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Re: WBS... To simmer or not to simmer [Re: DNKYD]
    #3249289 - 10/12/04 11:00 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

You should let it soak for 24 hour at the very least.


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