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tripndicular
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Re: Myth Busting!! To soak or not to soak. [Re: NeedMoreSleep]
#3821677 - 02/23/05 10:31 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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NeedMoreSleep said: THATS AWESOME!!! watch your CAPS
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firsttimer101
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Re: Myth Busting!! To soak or not to soak. [Re: NeedMoreSleep]
#3821690 - 02/23/05 10:34 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm new to growing and misunderstood the instructions in the book by Oss and Oerik. I took 2/3 cup of rye, added 1 cup of water, soaked for 24 hours, then pressure cooked. The jars were very wet and there was a lot of condensation. As you can imagine, I had way too many problems with contamination so I'm starting over. I'm confused about the soaking and simmering. Can I soak for 24 hours, strain then PC? Will enough water be absorbed by the rye kernels in this time?
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Civ
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Re: Myth Busting!! To soak or not to soak. [Re: Holydiver]
#3821714 - 02/23/05 10:40 AM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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2) Rye: I always 24 hour soak rye, then simmer, then cook. Have yet to try just a load + cook. Unsure as to the soaking preventative effectiveness of rye, yet. Zero contams so far with soak, simmer and cook.
Thats how I work my wheat also. After a good soak I can smell the bacteria in the water as I drain it. Then I simmer and rinse until there is no smell. I am 36/36 on Qt jars this month with this method.
I tried 6 load and cooks my first time and had no growth, but I am new to this hobby and trying to learn new things each day. Seems like it works well when they g2g/agar/or use karo to innoc.
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littlefriend420
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Re: Myth Busting!! To soak or not to soak. [Re: Dem_Bones]
#3822138 - 02/23/05 12:26 PM (18 years, 11 months ago) |
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Dem_Bones said: what is wbs? wheat berry seed ? i have seen it all over the site but not spelled out...
Wild Bird Seed
A couple other ones: TiT - Tub-in-tub PMP - Poor Man's Pod
Drove myself crazy trying to figure those out.
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xaxphaanes
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Re: Myth Busting!! To soak or not to soak. [Re: littlefriend420]
#4960944 - 11/20/05 05:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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i soak and simmer for 30 mins (soak for 24 hours) the reason i do this is because when i use to just soak the and then pc i got contams then i thought hey i will just simmer em then pc still got the contams but when i soak then simmer then pc no contams what so ever.(oh i pc for 1 hour and 30 mins)
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doc34
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Re: Myth Busting!! To soak or not to soak. [Re: xaxphaanes]
#4961109 - 11/20/05 06:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most of you guy's/gal's know how I do it.
Soak for 12-14 hours, Rinse until the water turns clear, Simmer for 15-30 minutes or until 5% of the grains are exploded, Rinse until the water turns clear using Cold water Then allow them to drain for as long as it takes for all of the excess water to drain off, there should be no water drops at all coming from the drainer/strainer Then PC the grains for 60-90 minutes, Then shake the jars as soon as the PC has vented(released pressure)to re-distribute the wet grains into the dry ones making them more uniform in moisture content.
I have never had a single jar cause me problems using this method.
Soaking isn't really necessary, IMO. Although it does/will germinate the bad endospores and makes them easier to kill. I like skipping the soaking step every-now-and-again and the simmer also and just put the grains and water in the jars and PC them. Especially if I am pinched for time->works great. I don't do it on a regular basis, but, I do it sometimes. But, when I do my jars, I prefer to soak and simmer even though it may be unnecessary work-I feel at ease knowing that I did everything properly.
My vote goes to Soak!
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mskip23
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Re: Myth Busting!! To soak or not to soak. [Re: doc34]
#4961277 - 11/20/05 07:02 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I follow the tmc method for grain no soak no simmer just 1 cup rye and 2/3 cup water pc..not one jar lost to contams yet...knock on wood...
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studentdriver
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Re: Myth Busting!! To soak or not to soak. [Re: Mycelium5150]
#4961448 - 11/20/05 07:39 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Does anyone have experience with the bags? Soak or no soak? and how much water and rye? if No soak. Lets say the bags measure about 19" X 8" Also when one is using a sterilizer instead of a pressure cooker, do they need to keep it at 15 pounds of pressure? or can they turn it up to 17 or more (shown in the green zone on sterilizer gage? Thanks in advance for your input.  Student Driver
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Re: Myth Busting!! To soak or not to soak. [Re: studentdriver]
#4961851 - 11/20/05 09:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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its nice to see that m5150's legacy still lives on. he is a shroomey great
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Oatman2000
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Re: Myth Busting!! To soak or not to soak. [Re: tahoe]
#4962613 - 11/21/05 12:53 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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i have tried to just soak... without a simmer. ALSO without adding water in while pc'n. The result in this with rye is very dry grains, and super stalled growth. 15 min sounds great with the simmer..... when i do for 30 it's too much. then pc 1 hr. YIKES!! my problem while simmering is that i can not get my grains dry enough before pc'n, therefore I am double cooking them, and then it turnes out to be a big clumpy, goopy, soggy, wet, congeled, sticky, smelly mess! here's the stalled myc growth on rye, with just soaking and pc dry. looks better than my contam pics!! -Oatman

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gotyerback
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Re: Myth Busting!! To soak or not to soak. [Re: doc34]
#4963013 - 11/21/05 05:58 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Doc did you write the Doc's WBS Tek? If so, thank you. 100% so far. A little time consuming, but foolproof.
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