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OfflineDroz
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Is this real tabacoo?
    #3751669 - 02/08/05 06:14 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I've been wondering about the tabacoo industry lately and I wonder if what they put in the cigarettes is really tabacoo. The last cigarette I smoked had a blue tint to the smoke coming off the cigarette? Poisons that they add to these cigarettes? I wonder.

Is it morally wrong to put something other then tabacoo in cigarettes.


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: Droz]
    #3751845 - 02/08/05 06:59 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Smoking tobacco in any form is useless and dangerous.


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3751856 - 02/08/05 07:02 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Not to mention highly addictive. Get them while their young and dumb, Hook them to slavery for life, and make them suffer long and agonising deaths!


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: Sinbad]
    #3751862 - 02/08/05 07:03 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

how so?
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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: Gomp]
    #3751875 - 02/08/05 07:06 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Dont you know? Tobacco kills people slowley and is a highly addictive form of slavery!


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: Gomp]
    #3751882 - 02/08/05 07:07 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Smoking tobacco is absolutely useless.

Smoke some fuckin herb you bitches!


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: Ginseng1]
    #3751892 - 02/08/05 07:10 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Using marijuana (any drug) on a regular basis shows disrespect for the substance, yourself, and is a danger to health. Moderation is the key to health.


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: Droz]
    #3752020 - 02/08/05 07:32 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Its because of the light diffusion through the smoke. Light a cigarette in the light and put it up to a black background, it will look blue. ITs called ultramicroscopy. Look it up, might learn some science!


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: Zero7a1]
    #3752148 - 02/08/05 08:04 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Look here...

http://www.cannabisculture.com/articles/2221.html

"Cannabis is often compared to tobacco, with the damage caused by smoking tobacco given as a reason to prohibit use of cannabis. Yet most of the harms caused by tobacco use are due not to tar, but to the use of radioactive fertilizers. Surprisingly, radiation seems to be the most dangerous and important factor behind tobacco lung damage.

Radioactive fertilizer

It's a well established but little known fact that commercially grown tobacco is contaminated with radiation. The major source of this radiation is phosphate fertilizer.1 The big tobacco companies all use chemical phosphate fertilizer, which is high in radioactive metals, year after year on the same soil. These metals build up in the soil, attach themselves to the resinous tobacco leaf and ride tobacco trichomes in tobacco smoke, gathering in small "hot spots" in the small-air passageways of the lungs.2 Tobacco is especially effective at absorbing radioactive elements from phosphate fertilizers, and also from naturally occurring radiation in the soil, air, and water.3

To grow what the tobacco industry calls "more flavorful" tobacco, US farmers use high-phosphate fertilizers. The phosphate is taken from a rock mineral, apatite, that is ground into powder, dissolved in acid and further processed. Apatite rock also contains radium, and the radioactive elements lead 210 and polonium 210. The radioactivity of common chemical fertilizer can be verified with a Geiger-Mueller counter and an open sack of everyday 13-13-13 type of fertilizer (or any other chemical fertilizer high in phosphate content).4

Conservative estimates put the level of radiation absorbed by a pack-and-a-half a day smoker at the equivalent of 300 chest X-rays every year.5 The Office of Radiation, Chemical & Biological Safety at Michigan State University reports that the radiation level for the same smoker was as high as 800 chest X-rays per year.6 Another report argues that a typical nicotine user might be getting the equivalent of almost 22,000 chest X-rays per year.7

US Surgeon General C Everett Koop stated on national television in 1990 that tobacco radiation is probably responsible for 90% of tobacco-related cancer.8 Dr RT Ravenholt, former director of World Health Surveys at the Centers for Disease Control, has stated that "Americans are exposed to far more radiation from tobacco smoke than from any other source."9

Researchers have induced cancer in animal test subjects that inhaled polonium 210, but were unable to cause cancer through the inhalation of any of the non-radioactive chemical carcinogens found in tobacco.10 The most potent non-radioactive chemical, benzopyrene, exists in cigarettes in amounts sufficient to account for only 1% of the cancer found in smokers.9

Smoke screen

Surprisingly, the US National Cancer Institute, with an annual budget of $500 million, has no active grants for research on radiation as a cause of lung cancer.1

Tobacco smoking has been popular for centuries,11 but lung cancer rates have only increased significantly after the 1930's.12 In 1930 the lung cancer death rate for white US males was 3.8 per 100,000 people. By 1956 the rate had increased almost tenfold, to 31 per 100,000.13 Between 1938 and 1960, the level of polonium 210 in American tobacco tripled, commensurate with the increased use of chemical fertilizers.14

Publicly available internal memos of tobacco giant Philip Morris indicate that the tobacco corporation was well aware of radiation contamination in 1974, and that they had means to remove polonium from tobacco in 1980, by using ammonium phosphate as a fertilizer, instead of calcium phosphate. One memo describes switching to ammonium phosphate as a "valid but expensive point."15

Attorney Amos Hausner, son of the prosecutor who sent Nazi Adolf Eichmann to the gallows, is using these memos as evidence to fight the biggest lawsuit in Israel's history, to make one Israeli and six US tobacco companies pay up to $8 billion for allegedly poisoning Israelis with radioactive cigarettes.16

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The radioactive elements in phosphate fertilizers also make their way into our food and drink. Many food products, especially nuts, fruits, and leafy plants like tobacco absorb radioactive elements from the soil, and concentrate them within themselves.17

The fluorosilicic acid used to make the "fluoridated water" most of us get from our taps is made from various fluorine gases captured in pollution scrubbers during the manufacture of phosphate fertilizers. This fluoride solution put into our water for "strong teeth" also contains radioactive elements from the phosphate extraction.18

Although eating and drinking radioactive products is not beneficial, the most harmful and direct way to consume these elements is through smoking them.19

The unnecessary radiation delivered from soil-damaging, synthetic chemical fertilizers can easily be reduced through the use of alternative phosphate sources including organic fertilizers.20 In one test, an organic fertilizer appeared to emit less alpha radiation than a chemical fertilizer.21 More tests are needed to confirm this vital bit of harm-reduction information.

Organic fertilizers such as organic vegetable compost, animal manure, wood ash and seaweed have proven to be sustainable and non-harmful to microbes, worms, farmers and eaters or smokers. Chemical phosphates may seem like a bargain compared to natural phosphorous, until you factor in the health and environmental costs.

To ensure that cannabis remains the safest way to get high, we must always use organic fertilizers and non-toxic pesticides. We should also properly cure the buds, take advantage of high-potency breeding and use smart-smoking devices like vaporizers and double-chambered glass water bongs. These will all help to address concern over potential lung damage far more effectively than either a jail cell or a 12-step program.

Tobacco smokers can also use this information to avoid radioactive brands of tobacco. American Spirit is one of a few companies that offers an organic line of cigarettes, and organic cigars are also available from a few companies. You can also grow your own tobacco, which is surprisingly easy and fun.

Until the public has an accurate understanding of how phosphate fertilizers carry radiation, and why commercial tobacco causes lung cancer but cannabis does not, there will be many needless tobacco-related deaths, and increased resistance to the full legalization of marijuana."


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: TeKn0]
    #3752525 - 02/08/05 09:24 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

smoking ciggarettes is only useless if everything in them is useless

are you so sure?


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: fresh313]
    #3752544 - 02/08/05 09:28 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Ciggs give a buzz the first few times you smoke a pack...however as you well know turn in to more of a habbit, then something done concienciously and with mindfulness. And the stentch... is beautifully obnoxious

But yes on the moral side.... there is nothing wrong with it. However, selling something advertised as something else is horribly immoral. There are laws against that


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: IrishNation]
    #3752903 - 02/08/05 10:48 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

mmmmmm nicotine


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: blaze2]
    #3753222 - 02/08/05 11:35 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

what about the tobacco I grew in my garden? is that morally wrong, or even 'useless'?


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: Zekebomb]
    #3753243 - 02/08/05 11:37 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

If you make a habit out of smoking it...it is useless... morally wrong for killing yourself.


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3753389 - 02/08/05 11:55 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Smoking ANYTHING is ignorant and harmful for your body. If you want to get high, vaporize it, cook it, bake it - do not smoke it if you really care about your health or have any possible heart defects.


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: Droz]
    #3753651 - 02/09/05 12:36 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I'm going to say no, mainly because I don't believe in moral order, it seperates from direct experience.


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: CaptainJailew]
    #3754695 - 02/09/05 04:46 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

Ask anyone who smokes, and they'll tell you that they started for stupid reasons. Therefore the intial cigarette is an act of stupidity that chains you to a life of disgusting slavery, and all becuase you wanted to look cool!

I do not belive it is remotley sensible or intelligent to partake in any consumption of a highly addictive substance that has no real buzz other that a slight headrush due to the surge of poison invading your bloodstream.

Legal drugs are the worst and most destructive of substances. At least heroin feels good!  :grin: :syringe: :evil: :rolleyes: :blush: :frown: :cool:


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: Sinbad]
    #3755304 - 02/09/05 11:32 AM (11 years, 9 months ago)

yea but that cigarrete right after a meal is soooooooo damn good.


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"peace is not maintained through force it is acheived through intelligence." Albert Einstein

"Those who desire to give up Freedom in order to gain Security, will not have, nor do they deserve, either one."
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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: blaze2]
    #3755427 - 02/09/05 12:06 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

When it cuts 10 years off of your life will that be "soooooooo damn good"?


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Re: Is this real tabacoo? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #3755438 - 02/09/05 12:08 PM (11 years, 9 months ago)

I sincerely enjoy a cigarette. also a glass of wine. leave me alone you tree-huggin hippies


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