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Offlinefireworks_godS
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Re: Lobo [Re: castaway]
    #2076370 - 11/06/03 10:09 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

castaway said:

"Trust your self man, in the end (it) is the only one you can really trust."-

That statement is subject to the element of error, naturally;

Can I trust you?





I can trust myself. No element of error there. I know who I am and what composes me. I have complete trust in who I am.

You, however, can't trust me, unless you want to. But I can trust myself. I do. No error.

Digging up the old old posts, I see...
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Re: Lobo [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2077119 - 11/06/03 03:13 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Studies have shown that if one is placed under deep-hypnosis, and is told, by the hypnotist, that they are being touched with a white-hot poker, but in reality, actually touched the person being hypnotized with a pencil, or a finger, the person will actually develop a blister in that very same spot. Wrap your head around that :grin:
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Re: Lobo [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #2077467 - 11/06/03 05:05 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

There is no experience more real then experience itself.. if you've experienced it it's as real as it gets..


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Re: How real are trips? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2077669 - 11/06/03 06:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

since we have no way of distinguishing what is real anyway, and as far as anyone knows this could all be imagined by the perceiver, of course you can gain spiritual insight from a trip....because its just another chemically induced state, likke everything else.

We experience the world like we do because of the fact that we inhale and process oxygen, and consume foodsources that add to our energy supplies. If you change our intake, does that make it any less real?

Reductionist idea, like monoamine...but hey, works for me :P

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Re: How real are trips? [Re: Kremlin]
    #2077796 - 11/06/03 07:06 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

wheres the info for this skoripivo, I beleive you it just sounds interesting to see this. Also That nobel prize winner admitted to being under the influence of LSD for his idea. ANyone know who this is? What he/she did?


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Re: How real are trips? [Re: Toad_Stool]
    #2077886 - 11/06/03 07:30 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

yes I am very interested in a nobel prize winner figuring shit out on LSD


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Re: How real are trips? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2079043 - 11/07/03 01:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

i was going to make i new post for this, but i figured why bother.

it seems like alot of poeple have rather intense hallucinations on rather low doses of mushrooms (and perhaps ayahuasca? more on that when i get more experiance).

5 grams isn't that much to poeple who trip regularly, and i personally have never experianced, nor has anyone in my prescence experianced anything like most of the mushrooms trips in the trip reports while on mushrooms (the exception would be my very first mushroom trip, when i EXPECTED it to be like that).

what i'm getting at here is i'm starting to suspect that poeple hallucinate so much because they expect to hallucinate so much, and i also suspect that a large part of the trip isn't valid.

whats leading me to believe this is because any novice magican/psychic can get real world demonstrateable effects in a very short period of time.
i haven't seen or heard of anyone other than shamans, who are magicians in thier own right, who use the pyschedelic teachers to actually increase thier real life power and get real life effects.

if it makes you so knowledgable about the non-physical workings of reality, why don't more poeple report increased abilities?

who knows, just a suspicion. more evidence after i have several more ayahuasca trips.


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Re: How real are trips? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #2079060 - 11/07/03 01:11 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

after having this conversation with my usual tripping buddies:

SuperCoolGuyDan: alot of hallucinations are just connecting the little fragment things you have probably seen into different opatterns then letting your mind wander
True Kimbo: yeah, but wandering minds get lost
SuperCoolGuyDan: exactly and thats when you have those insane hallucinations everyone talks about i really have never had them either very few hallucinations of actual things
True Kimbo: exactly
True Kimbo: why aren't we getting insane hallucinations
True Kimbo: same substances?
SuperCoolGuyDan: alot of people also exagertate what they think
SuperCoolGuyDan: like a wierd picture they get in there head all of a sudden is real
SuperCoolGuyDan: alot of poepl also just fuckin lie (to themselves)

NeedelR: a suspicion, like there's not as much there as promised?
True Kimbo: like most of the poeple tripping who have very intense experiances are pre-programming themselves to hallucinate violently based on reading the experiances of the early pyschedelic pioneers who took staggering doses.
NeedelR: hm. interesting. yeah, it's usually only after gross excesses that anything really super trancescendant hits.


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Re: How real are trips? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #2079065 - 11/07/03 01:13 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Please note that I'm not talking about hallucinations. I'm talking about insights.


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Re: How real are trips? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #2079073 - 11/07/03 01:16 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

one last post in my series of thought trains. i've only twice now seen the verge of becoming fully immersed in pyschedelic space, where there was completely abscence of reality. could it be that many of these poeple's experiances take place after that threshhold and they've just learned to put themselves over that line with smaller and smaller doses?

input needed.


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Re: How real are trips? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #2079084 - 11/07/03 01:21 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

insights. insight into personal and group psychology i totally agree pyschedelics can help you on a certain level.

all these insights in the truer nature of reality, i don't know, refer to my post earlier.

if these insights are valid why do trippers not report the same level of increased awareness/self control and understanding/paranormal ability as sober poeple.


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Re: How real are trips? *DELETED* [Re: truekimbo2]
    #2079105 - 11/07/03 01:31 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: How real are trips? [Re: Quintessence]
    #2079994 - 11/07/03 07:02 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

NuggetsTheShaker said:
Fireworks were being lit off randomly by various people. 




It was me. I was saying "Yes, I do exist".
:wink:
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Re: How real are trips? *DELETED* [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2080206 - 11/07/03 09:32 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: How real are trips? [Re: Quintessence]
    #2080426 - 11/07/03 11:12 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Coincidence -_-
or is it?  :crazy: 




It has been far too fucking long since I have the oppurtunity to play with fireworks, unfortuantely. :frown:
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Re: How real are trips? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #2080821 - 11/07/03 01:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

If you experience it, it is real to you.

Just because there are superficial reactions happening on a gross physical scale doesn't mean more subtle actions and reactions arn't taking place.


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Re: How real are trips? [Re: jiva]
    #2080934 - 11/07/03 02:17 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I know for sure people exxagerate or lie about things they see on mushrooms. They get it in their head that maybe they were almost going to see something then they think that maybe they did and they think that they are supposed to talk about mushroom trips in a certain way and the next thing you know they are saying "I saw pigs flying in the sky!!"


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Re: How real are trips? [Re: silversoul7]
    #2081662 - 11/07/03 06:56 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I suppose you could say these experience are not real because its just a drug or what not, but if some divine force wanted us, in this reality, to experience such things it would use our reality to do that. The divine would understand the way we work, understand how to manipulate our brains to give us that experience and give us the opportunity to have these experiences. Magic mushrooms growing naturally, the potential to synthesize LSD etc



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Re: How real are trips? [Re: Mixomatosis]
    #2082129 - 11/07/03 09:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Mixomatosis,

The nobel prize winner was Kary Mullis. He got it for his work on the polymerase chain reaction. I think this is used to clone DNA (ie. take small amounts of some DNA, and then clone it to get a larger amount of the same DNA).

http://www.csp.org/chrestomathy/dancing_naked.html


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Re: How real are trips? [Re: muhurgle]
    #2082706 - 11/08/03 01:18 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

mabey the only thing that matters is weather you have learned something from your trip. who cares wheather it was real or not, learning a lession in life is what counts


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