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More questions about Religion
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I am not a religous person, but when ever my mother asks I do attend church with her...I may not listen to a thing that is said, but I just go for her....Anyways I have found that all religion does is tell you to have faith in something else and not in yourself. i constantly hear that if you "believe in God" that "God" will give you what ever you ask for.

Question: Many times the preacher will say if when you look in the mirror you will see god. Is this their way of telling us that we are all god and they are trying to get us to believe in ourselves and control out own fate?

or

Question: Is religion bad for us...Is it distracting us from controlling our own fate? Is it forcing us to be sheep in a flock and not think for ourselves and expand our mind.

In my opinion I belive that the second question holds more truth..what do you guys think?




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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: shroom-girlie]
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:uhoh:

Edited by PudinLicous (01/12/18 10:50 AM)

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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: PudinLicous]
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you were created in gods image. every time you look in a mirror you see god because you are god. if you did not believe in god, god would not exist. and thus defeating your own existance. god, if not just a metaphore for the human spirit, does exist.

we are just a flicker of aspiration in the grand design. therefore, we must reap its sorrows. -me


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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: PudinLicous]
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PudinLicious...you are right the religion I was refering to was Christianity....I have already checked out Budhism and Hindusim..they are both fascintating religions...ones with which I see myself learning more about...I also practice zen meditation....I just feel that the christian churches are leading people astrain...that the Bible as been so misinterpreted and that alot of churches are out to take advantage of the congregations....I don't believe that religion should ask you to give 20% of your paycheck to the church..that is ridiculous...I also feel that the point of religion is mind expansion....testing your own limits and discovering new things..thanks for your recommendation...take care.



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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: shroom-girlie]
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get a clue, they are trying to make you a believer. the more people they get to be believers the better god thinks of them. it is a popularity contest, whether you or they no it or not. and they can deny it all they want also. i think religion is a tool for brainwashing you. that is all. why dont people just believe in a religion of somnething better like the sun? i mean, i can see the sun, it gives me light, it gives me warmth and it gives me food! that is all you really need!

sleeping by yourself at night can make you feel alone,
youre girlfriend said so, but i dont really know
Closet Cultivation


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the little kridders of nature; they dont know that thyre ugly!


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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: shroom-girlie]
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Shroom-Girlie, if you want to explore other religions, you do so. (Which it looks like you have.) I think that the church gets 10% of your check for tithes, so that anyone who believes in it will help the establishment spread the word, which is one of its' goal. There are good and bad people in the world and the same is true with any religion, because the people are still people. I am not a religious person, but I have come to see what the one and only unchallenged truth is: that The God of The Bible is real. I don't want to argue about this, because I don't see a point in going on over the internet about something I don't want to discuss with people who want to believe what they want to believe instead of something that is true and would mean that their lives would have to change too much for comfort if they did see how true God is. The way you feel about the word "religion" depends on how you look at it. It is a label, a category, etc., but it doesn't mean any harm. People congregate because Jesus said that when you get together as believers, that your faith will stay strong. People get together because of this. Non-believers who OPPOSE the religions might say that they do this to keep themselves UNDER the illusion of their faith. I don't want to be put in the position of teacher, because its dangerous to be a teacher and not follow what you are teaching; that is, to be a hypocrite. I am just trying to give you some information that I have. Actually, if you listen to the preachers, depending on what type of preacher, I guess, it is interesting how they can be seen as philosophers of the Word. If you believe in God and you are close to him, YOUR will will change and, so you CAN have what you want. If you look in the mirror you WILL see God, because he is the one who made it so that you are standing there in front of the mirror- its like his signature everywhere being vibrations. If you have faith in God, I believe you can have MORE faith in a TRUER self than without Him. Religion doesn't control your fate, IF thats what you want to do, (thats like the blind leading the blind), you are the one who directed yourself into that certain religion, so no matter if you are in that religion or another, it will have been you who made the choice. What is it about expanding the mind that people are so interested in?? If you know a couple basic things, everything else is just details and once you get to a certain state of mind expansion, you will see this is true. Why is everyone after so much knowledge? Why? Knowledge was the first downfall of man and now you want to chase after it like a Holy Grail? I know there is no way of stopping it, I just have that one perspective, thats all.

:frown:


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"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." John 15:5

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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: CACA]
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has it gotten this bad?????

did you know that 100% of people that die have traces of oxygen in their system?
Closet Cultivation


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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: aluminum_can]
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ok i'm doing wippis soo bare with me, listen up, they do that shit because they don't want people to go to hell, dipshits. Oh ad shroom girly u shouldn't talk about pay checks,100 years ago woman couldn' even work, soo be lucky

first u get the money, then u get the Weemen!
Wee men? what the hell are u talking about!
i said woman; no u didn't man!

~Ur PAYING ME IN HAIR CLIPPINGS! WHAT ARE U cRAZY?


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first u get the money, then u get the Weemen!
Wee men? what the hell are u talking about!
i said woman; no u didn't man!

~Ur PAYING ME IN HAIR CLIPPINGS! WHAT ARE U cRAZY?

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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: aluminum_can]
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what do you mean when you say, "this bad", can?

:frown:


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"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." John 15:5

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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: CACA]
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> Knowledge was the first downfall of man

How so?

Hydro has spoken!
Please! Tell me about the fucking golf shoes!


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Hydro has spoken!
Please! Tell me about the fucking golf shoes!

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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: Hydro]
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i think buddhists might say that ignorance is where "sin" (for lack of a better word here) begins...
heh, the gnostics would tell us that the serpent was truthing the primordial couple, and YHVH was the one spreading falsehood... but, what of that...
visit csp (erowid & lycaeum have some spirit links as wel) & the fane hase some great links & webrings to surf through...
it's like guru bill sez: there's a seeker born every minute
(sorry, couldn't resist...)
anyway, YEAH, ask the big questions (but perhaps bewar th easy answers...)
peace
/gnrmi



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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: gnrm23]
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Ignorance is bliss. Childhood. You have to be a child to get into the kingdom of heaven. A child is always full of wonder and appreciates life and is honest and should be obedient and learn to be a good person. Since we're not in the Garden of Eden anymore, learning and acquisition of knowledge is inevitable. You know how some things come "full circle"? Before, we believed that we all came from two people. Now, after so many years of people denying this and a load of garbage being fed to people, we now know again that this is true, empirically, scientifically. I really don't know what to say. Things should speak for themselves. I'm kind of under the weather, so forgive me if I don't share alot of information. Its too hard to make a big enough deal out of something so I can show you something that, to me, holds the same wonder as noticing a fork on a table. "OH, A FORK!!"

:frown:


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"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." John 15:5

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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: CACA]
    #366709 -

"Learn to be a good person" Children are as "good' as people get...


http://www.bluehoney.org/Personal.htm


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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: shroom-girlie]
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Read anything by Osho about religion

Abe Zaardvark
From historic coastal town in Southeast


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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: ~`Tursiops truncatus`~]
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they're painfully honest and sincere, but inexperienced.

:frown:


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"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." John 15:5

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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: shroom-girlie]
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It looks to me as though you question were already answered. IMO, religion is just another tool used to gain power. But this is how I define religion. I don't see any problems with people banding together to celebrate their faith in God. However, when these people band together to have someone else's idea of God spouted out to them, this is dangerous. This is what I call religion.
I used to go to church as a boy, off and on. We bounced around from one to the other. A few I actually enjoyed however. I got the feeling of oneness and togetherness at these two churches, which is why I enjoyed them so much. The people there already had found their happiness, their niche in life, and did not need to be told how to find it. Alas, these places are few and far between.
I have a question for you Shroom-Girly. Why do you give in to your mother and attend church with her if you know that it is just a waste of your time? I know it is tough denying a parent's requests, but you must realize that you are your own person. If you do not get anything out of it, other than the satisfaction it gives you to please your mother, then you shouldn't do it. YOu could just sit down and have a talk with her, explain your reasons for not wanting to go, and be done with it. Pardon me if I sound too nosy, but it seems to me that this would be the best course of action if you really dislike it.


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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: NowhereMan]
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Give up learning, and put an end to your troubles.

Is there a difference between yes and no?
Is there a difference between good and evil?
Must I fear what others fear? What nonsense!
Other people are contented, enjoying the sacrificial feast of the ox.
In spring some go to the park, and climb the terrace,
But I alone am drifting, not knowing where I am.
Like a newborn babe before it learns to smile,
I am alone, without a place to go.

Others have more then they need, but I alone have nothing.
I am a fool. Oh, yes! I am confused.
Other men are clear and bright,
But I alone am dim and weak.
Other men are sharp and clever,
But I alone am dull and stupid.
Oh, I drift like the waves of the sea,
Without direction, like the restless wind.

Everyone else is busy,
But I alone am aimless and depressed,
I am different.
I am nourished by the great mother. . . ~Lao Tsu~......


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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: CACA]
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"...You have to be a child to get into the kingdom of heaven..."

Beautifully said, and something we can all, regardless of faith or lack thereof, learn from. But I'm still gonna hafta call ya on that "true, empirical and scientific" assertion that the human race sprang from two people...perhaps you were speaking in metaphor?


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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: Pynchon]
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There is proof and it was out over a year ago.

:frown:


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"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." John 15:5

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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: CACA]
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Where?


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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: Pynchon]
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this all sounds very interesting, but so many people have so many different views, on OTHER peoples experience of god, and so many people have died for OTHER peoples experience and not their own. after studying numerous philosiphies, and hearing about OTHER peoples experience, and what is right and wrong for OTHER people, I have utterly given up on all of it, and since I am no longer searching for an experience mandated by OTHERS, I am finally happy with who I am, and if god has anything to say about it, he knows where to find me


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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: Pynchon]
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I don't know for sure. I was in Science class when I first heard it. It was around the same time they found out that we didn't come from apes like they first thought and around the same time they released solid genetic proof proving that the  Jewish people of Africa were indeed Jewish. My teacher read it out of a newspaper. I'm not sure which. I guess if you wanted to you could search for it online. You could probably find it that way. Did you know our water came from comets?

:frown:


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"I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." John 15:5

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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: CACA]
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"african eve" (we are all her descendants)
maternal mitochondrial dna
motherline traced to africa ~ 30,000 years ago...
BUT humans have been around as humans for prolly a few hundred thousand years, and our genus & relatives (Homo & Australopithecus) have prolly been around for a few million...
the split from Pan (chimps & bobolo) prolly like 10 million...
for where we were during the time between, check out _the descent of woman_ (the so-called aquatic ape theory)
"come from apes" .... well, the actual term is humans and apes had a common ancestor... and chimps & humans have like a 97% dna match, making them our closest surviving relatives (the ur-primate stock, well, we got to do some deep chronodiving to approach that level... are you ready?)
sci fi author clifford d simak has a nice little read about a time-line where Homo sapiens is regarded (by H. habilis, A. rubustus, H. neandrethalensis, and other intelligent primate species) as a dangerous, fratricidal, genocidal buncha crazies with mostly murder on our minds... not a pretty picture... (simak is a wondeful author, check him out at your local library or bookstore...)
it has been demonstrated (fossil evidence) that some of our extinct "relatives" once thought to be exclusively african, were clear over in east asia (as well as europe) long before the most recent series of ice ages... as to their genetic contribution to the current human gene pool... who can say for sure (heinlein, in _glory road_ : (oscar musing): aren't most anthropologist charts of human descent covered with more dotted lines than the geneological charts for european royalty? and who knows what alley oop was doing with the upstairs maid that long ago?)
ye gods...



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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: gnrm23]
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okay.. thx for clearing that up... i think..??..

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Re: More questions about Religion [Re: shroom-girlie]
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box 1.) "religious people" box 2.) "non-religious people"
take everyone you know and throw em in one of the boxes, and throw yourself in box 2. this is your categorization of what people are, think of it as your first-person social construct of "religious" in-group and "non-religious" out-group. you know that people belong in one box or the other, but how do you decide which box they should be in?

from your first person perspective, how do people get into the "religious people" box? is it on the basis of having heard them say "I believe in God!" is it based on them celebrating a religious holiday? do they have to go to church? do they have to wear a certain kind of clothing? do you have to perceive them as narrow-minded to belong in that box? what is it? try and be as specific as possible in naming specifically what actions you perceive that puts them in the religious box.
likewise, what makes people "non-religious"? do they have to be disinterested in religion entirely? do they have to say "I'm not a religious person?" do they simply not go to church? - is there 5-6 things you look for, and if they have 3 or more, then they're a "non-religious person? what is it? how do you decide?

what stereotypes have you heard about "religious" people? what stereotypes have you heard about "non-religious" people? can you think of 3 stereotypes for each group?
ex. religious people - "believe that if one believes in God, God will give you whatever you ask for"

what does that mean? do all religious people believe that? are all religious people who are agreeing with this statement understanding the same religious Truth about this statement? can you think of how some religious people who agree with this statement might interpret it differently than others who still agree with the statement? what is it about language that makes that possible?

Question: Many times the preacher will say if when you look in the mirror you will see god. Is this their
way of telling us that we are all god and they are trying to get us to believe in ourselves and control out
own fate?
Did you ask the preacher? Is this "their" way? - who's "they"? specifically, who is "they"? was there more than one preacher who said this? Would all preachers say this? would all preachers who said this agree upon the same spiritual Truth pertaining to this statement? would the entire congregation believe this? how did they all come to the same understanding of its meaning?

Question: is religion bad for us?
who is "us"? is "us" those who belong in the "non-religious box"? most people in the "non-religious box" would probably say "yes" - but is that true, or only true based on my statistics and probabilities and experience? have you ever done a survey? could you back it up in the lab? if religion is bad for "us", how about "them"? is good and bad universal, or are there relative realities which all reflect aspects of truth?

is it distracting us from controlling our own fate? do you feel distracted? do you see others as distracted? make 2 boxes, distracted - undistracted, put them as subcategories in both "religious people" and "non-religious" people - are the non-religious people less distracted? what are the conditions for distracted? are those who are distracted from controling their fate the ones who watch tv when there is "nothing to do", or read the bible? what is it?

you know, you can find answers to your questions, you just have to do a little field work... don't be afraid, try a laboratory report of sorts, put it all in scientific notation if ya wanna





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Everything is better than it was the last time.  I'm good.

If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care.

It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence.

I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too.  If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.

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