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The I's to Blame
    #3441138 - 12/03/04 09:01 AM (12 years, 10 days ago)

One thing I get tired of
Is other countries and peoples
Declaring America as the cause of their problems
America does a world of hurt
We do not control unhappy lives
We do not coordinate
It takes two to fight a war
You're either a fighter or you aren't
In any country


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: sox24]
    #3441174 - 12/03/04 09:28 AM (12 years, 10 days ago)

boo hoo!

It only takes one nation to invade a country on false pretenses and start a war. Oh - one nation and it's poultry alies.

America isn't the sole cause of the worlds problems, but America is not the liberating power of the world either.

All praise to God - The Almighty Dollar

Enjoy your war mister/missus fighter! Uncle Sam needs you to die for him before he shits on your coffin.

The I's to blame? How about starting with your very own, if blame is your game. I I I I sox
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Play it like you say and stop trying to fob it off on people struggling to survive against the biggest I on the planet.

I Bush (and I behind him)


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: sox24]
    #3441634 - 12/03/04 12:14 PM (12 years, 10 days ago)

You don't sound aware at all.


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: sox24]
    #3441646 - 12/03/04 12:17 PM (12 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:


You don't sound aware at all.





Hah.  :rolleyes:


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: sox24]
    #3441650 - 12/03/04 12:18 PM (12 years, 10 days ago)

I believe that to people in other countries, America often symbolizes their dissapointment. I think most of the hatred towards USA is justified, but like what the writing says, it takes two people to fight. The world needs to get wise, right now it isn't. No one is.


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: sox24]
    #3441656 - 12/03/04 12:20 PM (12 years, 10 days ago)

You roll your eyes like that guy is right? He's just angry. Can't you see through his words like I can?


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: sox24]
    #3441710 - 12/03/04 12:35 PM (12 years, 10 days ago)

I'm not angry dude

I just think it's funny you started a thread saying it takes two to have a war....and advising others to look at themselves in order to place blame, rather than others...when you quite obviously aren't! Like I said it only takes one nation to invade another on false pretenses, that leaves the invaded little choice but to fight.

Your poem clevely pointed at those people and away from yourself and the USA, yet it also says look at 'I'

I=ego=me

author of the poem included



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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: sox24]
    #3441726 - 12/03/04 12:41 PM (12 years, 10 days ago)

Well here is my opinion.

It DOES take two to fight a war, you are right... but that doesn't change the fact that the U.S. is one of very few countries that goes around STARTING wars. Granted, it takes someone to fight back... and I DO agree with you that most countries are run by people who are very confused.

None the less, it does not change the fact that the U.S. is VERY FAR from contributing to the overall peace of the world. The answer to violence is not more violence. It just, in turn, breeds YET MORE violence. There will always be someone else to take revenge in the next step.

I am not saying that the U.S. is the only one who's got it wrong... but that does not change the fact that the U.S., being one of the largest powers in the world today, NEEDS to be one of the ones who gets it right.

If not, where do we end up? What happens if we end up with a re-enactment of WWII nazi germany? The only difference is that this time the power in question is MUCH MUCH larger and stronger. What then??

The curtain falls.


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: CJay]
    #3441734 - 12/03/04 12:44 PM (12 years, 10 days ago)

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CJay said:
I'm not angry dude

I just think it's funny you started a thread saying it takes two to have a war....and advising others to look at themselves in order to place blame, rather than others...when you quite obviously aren't!

Your poem clevely pointed at those people and away from yourself and the USA, yet it also says look at 'I'

I=ego=me

author of the poem included





Quite true as well.

"Nobody's right, if everybody's wrong..."


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3441778 - 12/03/04 12:53 PM (12 years, 10 days ago)

Some people confuse me in a disturbing way.


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: exclusive58]
    #3441813 - 12/03/04 01:00 PM (12 years, 10 days ago)

Like people who are always vague with insults.


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: sox24]
    #3441823 - 12/03/04 01:02 PM (12 years, 10 days ago)

Look how anyone is treated with an opinion. You are so oppressed in your mind that you look down on anyone with anything to say. I'm saying if you fight in any war, you are dumb.


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: sox24]
    #3441906 - 12/03/04 01:23 PM (12 years, 10 days ago)

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  I'm saying if you fight in any war, you are dumb.




bravo!

Let's be free and show governments the world over that we don't need them or their mind oppressing ways. They are all as bad as each other. Why should we support any of them?
disgusting slimey phillistines the lot of them! :grin:


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: CJay]
    #3441939 - 12/03/04 01:30 PM (12 years, 10 days ago)

debating politics.....in a spirituality and philosophy forum...oh the "I" rony. j/k have fun.


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: sox24]
    #3441954 - 12/03/04 01:33 PM (12 years, 10 days ago)

Everything is natural. I'm not saying this writing I do is going to stop any war. It is probably more likely to start one because people like yourself who can't read. It made me cringe to look at your interpretation of my words because they are nowhere near what I said. You cast the stereotype of people thinking incorrectly onto me because my work is out of the ordinary, this world. You shouldn't back down from anyone causing injustice at all in my opinion. But you should also do what I am doing, trying to spread the word that things aren't as they seem. Everyone thinks the USA is this evil thing, which it is at the top. But everyhwhere else there are trees and good people. War is inside and it spills over into the outside world. It has to be in you to get there to your war on time. If you think I'm an insane person, or if you want to hint at it, that's ok. I'm not going to believe you.


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: sox24]
    #3442021 - 12/03/04 01:43 PM (12 years, 10 days ago)

Sorry dude...it didn't come over like that to me. Sounded a bit self pitying. Maybe I can't read...maybe you need to work on your verse.

Maybe we are both to blame - I and I

M8 I am spreading the word

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Everyone thinks the USA is this evil thing, which it is at the top. But everyhwhere else there are trees and good people




- did you read my last post?

Governments the world over are all the same.

Man enjoy the challenge of posting your work - we can all move forward together. I don't think you are insane, and your sentiments come much clearer from those last few posts.

I am insane tho - keep good humoured and enjoy to play - the future can be made today!

Big UP!! :sun:


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: CJay]
    #3442108 - 12/03/04 02:06 PM (12 years, 10 days ago)

It's all good. I have to put that mystery in my writing to be true to myself. It's fun to see what people read into it. Often I try to write lines that a person will see in it whatever they are.


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: sox24]
    #3442668 - 12/03/04 05:09 PM (12 years, 10 days ago)

First of all: this really belongs on the politics board.

I think that right now we are seeing the common human trait of attributing all evils to those with power. Because the US is the most powerful country naturally others would like to fit it into an underdog, good guy vs. bully typology. If we are strong we are therefore bad, and the weak must be good. This belief serves a purpose around the world by diverting people's attention from the shortcommings of their own government or society to the straw man that is the US.

What disturbs me is how uncritically people around the world, particularly in Europe, accept this political myth. Whereas in this country there is strong division over the US role in the world, places like Germany, France, Belguim and even the UK think overwhelmingly the same. It seems that unlike the US they avoid self-criticism or questioning their own political beliefs inasmuch as America isn't the object of contempt. I attribute this to a massive mob psychology and an unbalanced monolithicly anti-American media in Europe.

In this country we are very self-conscious and critical of our own actions and philosophies, but it seems that in Europe they have no such self-examination of their own bias against America and its root causes, mainly an inferiority complex, because it so easy to blame it all on somebody else across the Atlantic.

I think if somebody had responded to CJay in favor of Bush and the US in the way that he responded to sox24 he would be up in arms. "You don't like our foreign policy, boo hoo! Cry me a river!" Then the person would be hypocriticaly labeled as brainwashed and intolerant.


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: sox24]
    #3443230 - 12/03/04 07:43 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

"I believe that to people in other countries, America often symbolizes their dissapointment. I think most of the hatred towards USA is justified, but like what the writing says, it takes two people to fight. The world needs to get wise, right now it isn't. No one is."

I remember izzard said that america is the new roman empire, and it's true. history keeps repeating itself, it's just now we've got a global economy and so way more countries are going to be involved when/if america goes down.

what this world needs is some compassion, and that is what we are truley lacking.


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Re: The I's to Blame [Re: kaiowas]
    #3443567 - 12/03/04 09:35 PM (12 years, 9 days ago)

if one doesnt like the state, or state they are in or live...then why would one stay in that state? only I can control I. Others (government,boss,mom,dad,the slow person driving in front of you,etc.) If one does not like..it is ones' only option to find something about "it" that one can like. feeling scared and confused happens. do not blame, how you yourself feel about something someone somewhere etc. ~only yourself can change the way you perseive things. In other words quit ur bitchin and deal with it....or change it. and by change it i mean pack up today and get the hell out before it gets any worse (for you). Damn!!! this country it is sooo evil!! and everyonewho lives here. maybe you should check out expedia.com and schedule the first flight out to somewhere better ( for you) as for me, i am content with this conten(t)ant.

sorry if this made absolutely no sense to anyone! words are a mutherfucker!


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