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OfflineStrumpling
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Re: America [Re: ]
    #2315519 - 02/08/04 07:50 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

well Effed, its not going to look any better from the outside now that you've already been here, unfortunately.

But OK..


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Re: America [Re: ]
    #2315619 - 02/08/04 08:14 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Its not just america, there is a pain here, a deep deep pain. Running away will not make it go away, standing on the outside wont make the view that much brighter, you just wont have to be subject to the end of the country.


It looks great from the outside, but when your inside, its a different story. Some people think that the rules we have governing the populace are the best things! But the people in the united states, and the government have a lot more to do. The problem is so big.

I hate thinking about it, its everywhere, all the f***ing time, but i dont know if i could just get up in leave. Either that, or i will just be miserable and die here, without making any significant change.

This country is filled with a lot of "showy" people, hell, i live in Dallas Ft. Work, another fascade heaquarters.

But I see a universal problem, stretched all throughout humanity, America is just the show.


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Re: America [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2315711 - 02/08/04 08:37 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I think the difference is inside yourself.


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Re: America [Re: Effed]
    #2318057 - 02/09/04 01:48 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

American people live in a different reality, they are living inside a dream where reality comes knocking the door now and then. Look around you, this isn't a fucking movie, people have died, suffered and starved and they keep doing so just because of monopolistic US interests.
After all, which country rules the world ? And what's its prime engine ?
Welcome to the neo-colonialist era and its globalization ....

MAIA


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Re: America [Re: MAIA]
    #2318090 - 02/09/04 02:02 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

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MAIA said:
American people live in a different reality, they are living inside a dream where reality comes knocking the door now and then. Look around you, this isn't a fucking movie, people have died, suffered and starved and they keep doing so just because of monopolistic US interests.
After all, which country rules the world ? And what's its prime engine ?
Welcome to the neo-colonialist era and its globalization ....

MAIA




what i really dont understand about the amerikkkan reality..is how the majority views imperialism and fascism as liberty itself..rather than a threat to liberty...


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Re: America [Re: Effed]
    #2318121 - 02/09/04 02:12 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

This thread is very sad on many different levels. I was born in America, but moved out of the country a few years ago. I have a unique perch from which I can observe American life, from an American point of view, without being caught in the day-to-day rat race.

The number one problem with America is the media. The media needs ratings to make money. People tune in to watch big news, which happens every now and then. As a media outlet, I want big news to happen all the time. Since that simple doesn't occur, I will instead make mountains out of mole hills, and treat them as something big and important.

For example... Janet Jackson popped a nipple on live TV. Every last American that I have spoken to about this has said, "I don't see what the big deal is... it was a nipple... so what?" At the same time, if you listen to the media, this pierced piece of flesh is the worst thing that has happened since Hitler started genocide. Every last foreigner that I have spoken with thinks that Americans are bonkers. What they don't understand is that the majority of Americans don't care at all about Janet's nipple on prime time TV. There is a huge difference between what the media portrays as American and what the average American actually feels or believes.


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Re: America [Re: Seuss]
    #2318356 - 02/09/04 03:19 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Exactly! And as I said...this is a big problem because the only thing us foreingers get to see from America is the media coming out of it.

Looking at the media paints a grim, dumbass picture of Americans.


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Re: America [Re: MAIA]
    #2319044 - 02/09/04 06:37 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Seuss has a great point.

MAIA, what do you mean by monopolistic US interests? Actually, what does most of your thread mean? Because US citizens live in a better economy than some other countries means they live in dreamland? It means they never suffer?

Annapurna1, I don't quite understand your post either.

Sigh...I see so much generalization towards Americans in S&P.


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Re: America [Re: MAIA]
    #2319580 - 02/09/04 08:57 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: America [Re: ]
    #2319609 - 02/09/04 09:04 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Man is brutal and savage and no political solution of earth will ever fix that problem. Ever.

Agreed (unfortunately).


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Re: America [Re: ]
    #2319642 - 02/09/04 09:14 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Thats exactly what i said, and i think this what everybody should keep in mind.

People can only change themselves. In the end, it is up to them to decide what they will or will not do.


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Re: America [Re: Zero7a1]
    #2319664 - 02/09/04 09:21 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: America [Re: Viaggio]
    #2320851 - 02/10/04 09:31 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

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what do you mean by monopolistic US interests? Actually, what does most of your thread mean?




That was quick response, sorry if it made no sense to you. When i say "monopolistic US interests" i mean economical interest towards an absolute objective, which is controlling many specific key production segments in order to keep the command of the world economy.
Just to give you an example, i lived for 6 years in a south american country, that was from 1982 to 1988. I saw american products and american cars everywhere, i went to school in a yellow school bus, had the same tech you guys had (playing pacman on the atari 2600 :cool:), i even learned how to use a mac, just to say i saw the extent of the US culture had taken control of the native/national society, in not only economical aspects but also in some cultural aspects too. When i came back to Europe, the place i was born, nothing of this existed but it was growing everyday and still does today. First McDonalds was opened here in 1991, kind of late don't you think ? Today there are more than 80 in the whole contry. First American car sold here was the Cherookee in 1995, just ot tell you such economical conquest happens in a very dynamic way, through time and sometimes in a subtile maner but you can really feel it happening. It asfixiates an open but small culture like ours, look at our mediterranic diet, we have a 50% increase in heart desieases thanks to this change in our diet over the last 10 years. This is just an example but it serves its purpose to explain that such politics are made thanks to some expantionist and monopolistic measures on the behalf of a better and stronger US economy. Is it good to me and others like myself ? I don't think so.

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Because US citizens live in a better economy than some other countries means they live in dreamland? It means they never suffer?




That's the paradox. You do live in a better economy than other countries, most western countries do but it's a materialistic dreamland created thanks to 3rd world countries resources which the US control and exploit economically, if is not done directly, it is done indirectly by polictics (and its control by) puppet governments. Is this the dreamland you want ? 5% of the population exploiting the 95% that's left ?
I don't get it when you say "they never suffer", what do you mean, the US ? What i know is the world is suffering thanks to US neo-colonialist politics.


Please don't get me wrong, i don't hate americans or anything like that, it goes against what i believe in life. I've already met some americans and most i've met were interesting and intelligent people, i know plenty of americans right here in the shroomery and they are awesome people. See that's what i feel about americans and america, you are capable of the most incredible and good things manking has ever achieved but you are also capable of the most awfull and obscure actions. What more can i say, fuck your government and take a good hold on your life, not on Janets tits.

MAIA


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Re: America [Re: ]
    #2320924 - 02/10/04 10:17 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

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If another country were to be the "big gun" do you think the situation on this planet would be any better? I certainly don't.




Agreed. What if the USSR had taken over the world ? We wouldn't be here today but that's not my point.
Today political and economical situation is the result of the consolidation of the US politics after the communist block fall. Who's left to face the US in the most important issues ? No one.
My point is, mankind is achieving a new consciousness which is much more aware and critic, that is because we have many ways to get information. But many of this information is filtered through the media, so i agree with Seuss and his criticism towards the media. I'm capable of watching CNN over here and the picture i see is opportunistic and biased info. That's how i see the mind of most of the american population, alienated, be it through the movies or the TV. Remember we act and behave according to what our senses obtain, at the end, the vision of our reality is made up by this images and voices entering our heads everyday. I see it as the final concept of mind control, it looks like we are free but we're not or at least we don't have full control of our freedom because our behavior, the expression of our mind has already been set.

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Man is brutal and savage and no political solution of earth will ever fix that problem.




Politics is just an ordered confrontation of interests. Confrontation and interests are not known to fix anything or if they do, the benefit is only for a few.

MAIA


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Re: America [Re: MAIA]
    #2321249 - 02/10/04 01:16 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: America [Re: Viaggio]
    #2321276 - 02/10/04 01:23 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

To sum up what Maia explained to you in a mere one-liner you're familiar with, viaggio:

when you build maybe one ramshackle bridge in a lifetime, and suck way more than a thousand cocks, don't expect to be remembered as a bridge-builder :wink:

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Re: America [Re: Aldous]
    #2321598 - 02/10/04 02:54 PM (20 years, 3 months ago)

America is my home, and I am proud.


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Re: America [Re: Viaggio]
    #2323329 - 02/11/04 06:26 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, we got that Viaggio, but what are you proud of?


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Re: America [Re: Alan Stone]
    #2323370 - 02/11/04 07:04 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

I am proud of so much, I wouldn't know where to begin...my quality of life, my freedoms. They're protected.


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Re: America [Re: Viaggio]
    #2323401 - 02/11/04 07:53 AM (20 years, 3 months ago)

i hope you're not proud of the media...because it really is the #1 problem right now.

the best way to change america is to educate americans.
media is quickest way to do that, and american media is keeping people ignorant.
also, your "protected freedoms" are largely superficial.

to reiterate what MAIA said...
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Remember we act and behave according to what our senses obtain, at the end, the vision of our reality is made up by this images and voices entering our heads everyday. I see it as the final concept of mind control, it looks like we are free but we're not or at least we don't have full control of our freedom because our behavior, the expression of our mind has already been set.




so you may have your "freedoms", but look at the rest of the world....



in my eyes america is anything but a proud nation. just think about the actual land this country is founded on...who lived here before we did?
and where do they live now?
it sickens me.


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