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Transcending Ego
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RP = Random Poster
Swami = Swami


RP: I truly desire to transcend my ego. How many grams of mushrooms must I take? How many years must I meditate?

(We will overlook the fact that desire is an ego trait.)

*Swami pushes RPs buttons and RP flys into a rage.*

RP: Swami, you are such a total jerk!

Swami: When you no longer emotionally react to mere words on a page, then you are almost there. Your outburst is based in ego.

RP: Don't be so condescending, I want to know how to transcend ego not listen to your "clever" deconstruction.

Swami: *shrugs*


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Swami]
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:smile:


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: deff]
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I should probably add to that.

The desire to escape desires, while ironic, is usually the first step.

From here, this desire dissolves too, to leave pure void in it's place.

Letting go isn't a forced action or 'want', it's the ceasation of other desires and wants.

To some degree, every living human has desires, atleast on the subconscious level. The best one I can think of is the desire to sustain self existence.

One doesn't seek to be compeltely desireless (necessarily), just seek to eliminate the illusionary ties from your conscious state to your programmed desires.

From there, it's almost funny :smile:


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Swami]
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What is worth emotionally responding to?

The only things I can see is unnecessary suffering and death.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: psyka]
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what suffering isnt unnecassary?


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: psyka]
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Define unnecessary in terms outside of a subjective mindset.

I could say hot dogs are unnecessary, yet others may disagree.

Suffering is the same. Pain is a signal, it's you who creates the suffering.

And death, that's inevitable, and truly never unnecessary.


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: deff]
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agreed


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: deff]
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hi swami
what's up?


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: redgreenvines]
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Swami knows how to push buttons. :smile:


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"Climb the mountains and get their good tidings.  Nature's peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees.  The winds will blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy, while cares will drop off like autumn leaves." - John Muir

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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Todcasil]
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Todcasil said:
what suffering isnt unnecassary?


many things seen to be virtuous are based upon suffering
bravery for example

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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Chimera]
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i know how to pull levers. i am a certified lever puller.


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: deff]
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I would define unecessary in this instance as:
an indirect result to ones actions or unobstrusive lifestyle.

For example, you're a Muslim in a Iraq and you're eating pizza in a pizza resturant and someone decides to blow themselves up to spread a message to illegal occupation in their country, but the shrapnel wounds you and kills 30 others. Both the occupation and suicide bombing are unnecessary. Or a parent getting jailed for smoking a joint in his/her apartment at 10:30 at night to relax. That is unecessary.

I could go on and on but that is unecessary. What is necessary is understanding we are on the same rock in space and we all need to join together and realize we're brothers and sisters.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Todcasil]
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bravery:

not neccasserally exemplified by suffering.

bravery

n 1: a quality of spirit that enables you to face danger of pain without showing fear [syn: courage, courageousness] [ant: cowardice] 2: feeling no fear [syn: fearlessness] [ant: fear]
1. The condition or quality of being brave; courage.
2. Splendor or magnificence; show.


suffering is in the perspective of the beholder. ive been through many events that some people have suffered through, but i merely waited them out, tried not to be bored.

suffering has nothing to do with bravery... your thinking of martyrdom?

and even then martyrdom is ridiculous in my eyes.


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Todcasil]
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David Humes proved that suffering is nessecary
without it moral reality begins to crumble
it was argued in the problem of evils and defeated
the complex problem of evils is still unsolved

bravery was an example, a soldier endures suffering in battle and is seen virtous when he triumphs
there are many cases where what is virtous is based on overcoming of fears, pains, or suffering

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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Todcasil]
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psyka, you is right. we are all brothers and sisters...

those brothers and sisters doing the arresting and the blowing up, they must have felt it was neccassery, right?

our ideas of what is neccassery must align before family
state can be achieved. if.

[edited because i misspelled your name]


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Edited by Todcasil (10/20/04 03:34 PM)

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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Todcasil]
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morals are the downfall.


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Todcasil]
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explain
psychological egoism is a joke

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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: psyka]
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What is worth emotionally responding to?

Good question, but I will take the liberty of rephrasing your question if that is OK. A better question is: When is an emotional response appropriate or beneficial?

There is no specific case such as "anger is apropriate when your life is threatened" as I may be alive today because I did NOT get angry (or display it anyway).

Anger (and grief) can be useful as a motivator such as the founder of M.A.D.D.

Anger in traffic generally serves absolutely no purpose and thus can be discarded.

I beat people in poker all the time because of misplaced anger. This may surprise some here, but I NEVER goad anyone at the poker table. I try instead to be "invisible". Instead of trying to learn why they lost, they get angry and personalize it. "I always lose with that dealer" or "I am going to get him!" This form of emotionalism clouds judgement.

I played racquetball against a young-un this week and he got so frustrated he smashed his $125 racquet on the wall. What is the point? Yes, he got 300 milliseconds of satisfaction, but now must work a full day or so to replace the equipment. A 25 year friend threatened me over nothing last month. I ended the relationship. He projected his personal frustrations on me in a violent and unprovoked manner. It took him 30 seconds to destroy something built up over decades. Now you may think that I am over-reacting to his outburst, but it took me weeks to come to that tough decision.

This is a repeat: "Do the emotions serve you?" If yes, continue; if not, discontinue.

Simple.


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Swami]
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yeah!

Spud: [edit] morals are *my downfall. i do not feel the need to explain that.


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Swami]
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I am surprised


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Todcasil]
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because i am not educated, swami or spud, could you please explain psychological egoism?


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Todcasil]
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sure
psychological egoism is a theory of human nature that seeks to identify the genral or essential nature of humanity. it asserts that, by nature, human begins are self-interested or selfish. that is, the nature of humans is that their every action or motive is selfish.
i was assuming you ment morals are a downfall in general, not to yourself

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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Swami]
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It seems as though all things that come my way arent worth emotionally responding to. Satisfaction and desire have completely vanished, and its discomforting at my age level because that is how my peers interact. By transcending the ego you effectively alienate yourself with most people. (I sent you a PM, Swami).


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.

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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: redgreenvines]
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I am surprised

Different tactics and / or personas are required in different situations, no?


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: psyka]
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psyka said:
By transcending the ego you effectively alienate yourself with most people.


I was thinking about this very thought.  :blush:


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"Climb the mountains and get their good tidings.  Nature's peace will flow into you as sunshine flows into trees.  The winds will blow their own freshness into you, and the storms their energy, while cares will drop off like autumn leaves." - John Muir

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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: spud]
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to accurately observe human behaviour, it would take an observer who was not human


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: deff]
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funny you said that :laugh:


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: deff]
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that is the difference besides precision and truth
if i may quote aristotle: "it would be as wrong to expect the same degree of accuracy in all reasonings as in all manufactured items. things noble and just, which are subjects of investigation in political science, exhibit so great diversity and uncertainty that they are sometimes thought to have only a conventional, and not a natural, existence."
he goes on to say "for an educated person will expect accuracy in each subject only so far as the nature of the subject allows; he might as well accept probable reasoning from a mathematician as require demonstrative proofs from a rhetorician..."

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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: psyka]
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By transcending the ego you effectively alienate yourself with most people.

Not at all. Does an emotional spouse-beater ingratiate himself with people more than a balanced and content human being?

However, seeing through the games of others, you may no longer choose to play meaningless, robotic roles.


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Swami]
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:smile: :thumbup:


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: deff]
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Footnote: I ordered a racquet three weeks ago and was promised a quick delivery. It still hasn't arrived. Years ago I would have gotten angry and barked at the customer service rep to show my displeasure. On the phone I was pleasant and conversational, while being firm about the company's commitment.

The rep is sending an extra set of strings and a glove at no charge (about $15 worth of stuff on a $75 order). Would he have done the same to please me if I had blasted him though it was not his fault?


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: deff]
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meaningless robotic roles...

not playing them can still lead to alienation from peers.

you could orchestrate them, but them would assuage ego into your being again.


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Todcasil]
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we are all actors on the stage
those who see through the rolls of others just have more complex scripts

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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Todcasil]
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Maybe being 'peer' to those people becomes a robotic role...

It's a fallacy to think that people should be "friends forever" when clearly both people will change over time. It's possible but it should never be expected or forced :smile:


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Swami]
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Quote:
Swami said:....( precis: a story about buying a raquet and it not arriving but recourse was taken using the telephone - illustrating flexibility of the smart shopper personality )...
Would he have done the same to please me if I had blasted him though it was not his fault?


you have become quite conniving about being self serving as a smart shopper - a true model of consumerism.
I would certainly take refuge in the kindness of you words and heap you with plenty of string - given the right opportunity.

And yes different personality masks arise naturally, even if you want to call it skill. No harm taking pride in it.


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: redgreenvines]
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you have become quite conniving about being self serving

Are you stating that as a desirable or an undesirable trait? Clarify.


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Swami]
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now swami, are you intentionally trying to push buttons, or are they pushing their own?

can we not choose how we react? :wink:

also, what's the deal with people trying to "transcend" the ego on mushrooms, as if this is inherent within the mushroom trip.


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.

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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Swami]
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The constant thread of conversation regarding transending ego is somewhat silly in my opinion. How about healing, and developing a healthy and non-invasive ego to begin with. Learning how to really love yourself, understand and recognize boundaries in yourself and in others (then respect them...) this kind of stuff comes way before transendance and is, in reality, probably more important that some abstract concept that we don't really understand until perhaps it happens to us.

Ego has got to be healthy and well adjusted before it can be let go of or else theres way too much potential for self destructive illusion.

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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: NiamhNyx]
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your right dude, that fucking random poster is a total loser. we should ban him.

or just create some more imaginary situations to prove abstract points, and exert your superiority over non existant people


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Moonshoe]
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swami, i was just thinking...

you created this post about a ficticious encounter with someone that doesnt exist.

wait, moonshoes already written this.

well... okay.


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.

~Casil



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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Swami]
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to clarify would not be to select (a) or (b)
that would just be a choice of reflexes.

but by clarifying should we move into less flip correspondence
thereby examining our own motives behind the reflexes

i.e. deeper into the mask structure and origin?

if so, I foist paradox and opportunity to emerge from mere argument, or revel in its dualism.


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Swami]
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To me transcending the ego means to look beyond it and try to be objective....but you will always have an ego.


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"A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda

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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Moonshoe]
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and exert your superiority over non existant people

Do you feel threatened by non-existent people? Are you superior or inferior to them?


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Re: Transcending Ego [Re: Swami]
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:lol:


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"I'm afraid of losing my obscurity. Genuineness only thrives in the dark. Like celery."
- Aldous Huxley

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