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Re: Is bodybuilding really an ego building practice? *DELETED* [Re: xDuckYouSuckerx]
    #5939904 - 08/07/06 05:12 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Is bodybuilding really an ego building practice? [Re: soulcircus]
    #5940106 - 08/07/06 08:33 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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to all those that disagreed with what i said, i consider body building to be sculpting your body purely for aesthetic reasons, lifting weights for other health related reasons is a different matter




And why exactly is sculpting one's body purely for aesthetic reasons a negative thing, dare I ask?

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Re: Is bodybuilding really an ego building practice? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5940126 - 08/07/06 08:44 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Posted on Sun, Aug. 06, 2006
Landis' lies are even more harmful than his cheating
By Phil Sheridan

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Cheating is bad for sports. That's obvious. It's the reason leagues and associations and Olympic committees work so hard to catch dopers. What's not quite so obvious is that lying about cheating is even more damaging than the cheating itself.

And that brings us, unfortunately, to Floyd Landis.

His wide-eyed portrayal of outraged innocence may earn him an Emmy Award, but it probably won't let him hang on to his Tour de France title. When news broke that Landis tested for abnormally high levels of testosterone after his breakthrough stage 17 performance, the cyclist pleaded with the public for the benefit of the doubt.

He deserved it. Everyone does. The principle of presumed innocence is vital to the way our democracy operates.

A lot of things have happened since that first shocking news hit. None of it makes Landis look particularly good.

First, he and his team of doctors and lawyers ventured a series of explanations, each sillier than the one before it. Landis' levels were out of whack because of medication he took for a thyroid condition or the cortisone he received for pain. He drank Jack Daniel's the night before. His levels are naturally high. Or he was dehydrated. Yeah, that's it. Dehydrated.

The second and most devastating development was a The New York Times report, since confirmed by Landis' camp, that he tested positive for synthetic testosterone. That blew a hole through every possible excuse.

The science behind the testing is complex. The meaning is breathtakingly simple.

Floyd Landis is busted. Stone-cold, flat-out busted.

Cheating to win the Tour de France is wrong. Lying and lying and lying about it is infinitely worse for all sports and for every athlete.

Use Landis' own logic. He said he knew it would be hard for people to believe him because of all the lying and cheating that had gone on before. Landis acknowledged that he would have trouble believing someone else in the same situation.

Why? Because they all lie when they're caught.

So what did Landis accomplish? Next time an athlete tests positive and looks wide-eyed and innocent into the camera, it is going to be that much more difficult to believe him or her. The list of athletes who were caught and who toyed with the public's trust by denying they cheated just got one name longer.

Shot putter C.J. Hunter, the former husband and coach of Marion Jones, said he took legal supplements tainted by illegal compounds. A lie.

Sprinter Kelli White said she took a medication to battle narcolepsy. A lie.

Sprinter Ben Johnson said he must have been the victim of sabotage. A lie.

Rafael Palmeiro scolded Congress and said he'd never used steroids. A lie.

Landis should learn from the mistake of Barry Bonds. If Bonds had come clean when the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative story broke two years ago, his name and reputation likely would be saved by now. Instead a grand jury is considering whether he committed perjury.

You can imagine a scenario that explains why Landis might have decided to cheat back on July 20. It doesn't excuse cheating, but it allows for some compassion and understanding.

On July 19, Landis had a terrible day that he admitted made him feel tremendous pressure. He was the leader of the Phonak team, and that one awful day had taken him and his mates out of contention. He felt so bad and so far out of the race that he skipped his usual regimen and drank beer and whiskey with his friends.

Remember, this was probably Landis' one and only chance to win this race. Lance Armstrong had dominated the Tour for the previous seven years, and Landis is planning to have surgery on his arthritic hip. There's no guarantee he'll ever be as strong a rider as he was last month.

So with all that on his shoulders, in that moment of weakness, you can imagine him deciding to cheat just this one time. A little testosterone patch and maybe he could earn back some of the lost time in the mountain passes of stage 17.

He won the stage.

Afterward, according to the Associated Press, he said, "I didn't expect it to work quite that well."

Those words have a whole different shade of meaning now.

You can understand the pressure to cheat, especially in a sport in which it's reasonable to assume everyone else is doing something to gain an edge. You can understand and even forgive someone who gives in to that temptation.

There is no scenario that excuses the lying and the damage it does to the credibility of every athlete in every sport. They can take Landis' title away, but there is no penalty for his most serious offense.


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Re: Is bodybuilding really an ego building practice? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5940132 - 08/07/06 08:49 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Ultimately, he knew that it was his last chance to win the race in his life, and his desire to win, coupled with his self-doubt over his ability to win, brought him to decide to cheat, even if he knew that the glory wouldn't last long.

Unless he truly was a fucking moron and thought that he had a chance that the tests would not detect the chemicals. :lol:

What an exquisite role model. :rolleyes: Humans are such foolish monkeys. Accepting reality shouldn't be nearly as difficult for us to do as we make it. :wtf:

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Re: Is bodybuilding really an ego building practice? *DELETED* [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5940171 - 08/07/06 09:07 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Is bodybuilding really an ego building practice? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5940183 - 08/07/06 09:11 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I read in a bicycle blog that there was NO WAY anyone would take testosterone and think they wouldn't get caught.

Plus, over and over people have said that the boost from taking testosterone the day before the race would be little. It's something that would "help" you over a longer time frame to get stronger. Wierd he would take it the day before if that's what he did.

Anyway, the synthetic testosterone they found pretty much nails it as to cheating. The comment he made about "I didn't expect it to work quite that well" was interesting also.


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Re: Is bodybuilding really an ego building practice? [Re: soulcircus]
    #5940208 - 08/07/06 09:27 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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i beleive that the reasons which motivate people to body build are negativly influeced because i think they stem from insecurities (such as attention, feel of dominance, being to short/thin etc etc) and won't trully allow you to follow a spiritual path effectivly until you have stopped this.




I sincerely doubt this. What you propose may exist as a possibility that explains certain individuals intentions, but it clearly does not apply to everyone who "bodybuilds", possibly not even most.

Those who advance aesthetics could be simply doing it for aesthetics sake. Do artists paint due to insecurity?

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i think to take a more effective step down the spiritual path requires accepting how you already are, and not being too obsessed about your body




Accepting how one already is does not mean that one is not completely free to change oneself, especially considering the fact that we all exist in a state of constant change. I also do not comprehend how "obsession about your body" necessarily applies to bodybuilding, either. I work one job that sometimes consumes far more than eight hours of almost every day - am I obsessed? I live with the same woman and the same animals every single day - am I obsessed with them?

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    #5940270 - 08/07/06 09:51 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Is bodybuilding really an ego building practice? [Re: soulcircus]
    #5940446 - 08/07/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

with the right understanding any action you perform could be ascetic in terms of disciplining the mind-body connection and the bodies response to stress


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Re: Is bodybuilding really an ego building practice? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #5940508 - 08/07/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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...Plus that freakin techno music at high volume has been known to cause Roid Rage.




You being sarcastic, or do you actually have sources to back that up? 'Cause I blast my psy-trance louder than anyone when I work out babe, and it gives my super powers.


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Re: Is bodybuilding really an ego building practice? [Re: soulcircus]
    #5941016 - 08/07/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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I'll have to disagree on this one.




Feel free to disagree, but your position is simply speculation, as one does not actually have any method by which one could determine the intentions of the individuals who engage in the action, on a level that would actually be capable of determining if the action itself implies that the individual has that intention or motivation.

My position is one that recognizes that any behavior that one exhibits, in itself, simply is, and that there could be a great multitude of possible motivations and intentions for one to exhibit that behavior. For instance, perhaps one bodybuilds in order to give their physique a more solid appearance, as one is a cop, and doing so affects criminal psychology (as in, hey buddy, you break the law, I am going to fuck you up lol). Simply engaging in the behavior implies absolutely nothing about the person's intentions and motivations, and that is the truth, so unless you are conducting a documented, scientific study into the nature of the intentions and motivations of those who bodybuild, your point is simply unsubstantiated speculation.

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Although this sounds feasable i don't beleive it could possibly be the case.




Well, without some manner with which to research into the personal, inner intention of a representative cross-section of bodybuilders, your belief is irrelevant. I am simply acknowledging it as a possibility, and the possibillity that even a considerable amount of bodybuilders are not motivated by the intentions that you have listed is a very real one. In the absence of credible research into the matter (yes, this is something that could definitely be researched into, to at least some extent, and it would have a lot more validity than one's opinions drawn from talking and observing some bodybuilders in an informal manner), no one has grounds upon which to declare the inner intentions of bodybuilders.

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i know i havn't put up much of a debate on this responce, but from reasearching bodybuilding for over a year and talking and talking to alot of bodybuilders over the net. Every single one of them seemed to be into it for an egotistical purpose




Conversation over the internet is not an incredibly accurate glimpse into the inner intentions of other individuals, and this has been directly evidenced and addressed in this particular forum many times over. I cannot imagine one accessing much data that could even substantiate that a single individual "seemed" to have "egotistical purpose", let alone an appropriate cross-section of bodybuilders. It is all simply speculation based on one's limited observations, observations that cannot truly give a glimpse of the mind of the individual who is said to be exhibiting such behavior.

My whole point is that there is no ground upon which to sustain such a proclamation of others nature. :grin:


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sure we are free to change ourselves still, but for what reason would one going down a spiritual path, require to take up bodybuilding




Um, personal preference? The awareness and freedom that we, as human beings, have the great opportunity to engage in behavior that we prefer, and that we can fully experience that behavior without attachment?

Aren't you simply harboring a prejudice agansit a specific behavior that you do not personally prefer to engage in, and trying to dismiss its relevance to other peoples' lives by proposing that it simply could not be an aspect of a "spiritual path"? :nonono:

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it requires a whole change in lifestyle eg dietry changes which are generally not too healthy, and if you are going for it properly is extremely unhealthy.




I doubt it. Bodybuilding does not imply that one has to take drugs, and I would have to imagine that developing one's muscular system is an incredibly healthy thing to do. "Going for it properly" seems to simply mean "carrying it out to an amazing extreme", which certainly wouldn't be healthy in any circumstance.

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i beleive anyone that takes up bodybuilding will become far more self critical and eventually when going down the line slwoly one makes other lifestyle changes which can lead to an unhealthy obsession.




I apologize, but this is just an unfounded belief, in all its glory. It could similarily be applied to any activity or behavior that human beings engage in, and it would be just as inapplicable for them as well. :rolleyes:

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    #5941055 - 08/07/06 03:01 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Is bodybuilding really an ego building practice? [Re: soulcircus]
    #5941284 - 08/07/06 04:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Well ok, let's tackle it this way - is changing anything for aesthetics, according to you, unspiritual?

What if someone is tired of being a scrawny stick figure and decides he'd like to have some muscle? I think the realization of something like that can be a very spiritual experience. I think that if you're unsatisifed with any aspect of yourself you should change it so that you're satisfied.

I'm confused as to what, specifically bothers you in the issue. Appealing to women isn't a horrible reason in itself, some might say it's one of the prime motivating factors in a human life.

A quote a much enjoy:
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"My God, to think that's life, that's why you get dressed and wash and make yourself pretty and all the books are written about that and you think about it all the time and finally that's what it is, you go to a room with somebody who half smothers you and ends up by wetting your stomach. I want to sleep."
-Sartre, "Intimacy"




So, from certain standpoints sexuality might seem a weak reason. But I think regardless of good/bad, it keeps us going and is an undeniably strong motivator. Not to mention the spirituality of sexuality.


So what is it that bothers you? That a lot of bodybuilders seem spiritually unenlightened from your point of view? My best friend is a serious amateur bodybuilder and he's nothing like the stereotype at all. He does it simply because it's truly pleasurable for him, and it gives him something interesting to do. As a person, he's kind of quirky, nervous and maybe overambitious at times. He was always the sensitive/quiet type.


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    #5941566 - 08/07/06 05:47 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: Is bodybuilding really an ego building practice? [Re: soulcircus]
    #5941717 - 08/07/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

it seems you're under the impression of a linear spiritual path?

bodybuilding might be the last step for someone, someone who maybe was very opposed to it and saw no value in it?


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Re: Is bodybuilding really an ego building practice? [Re: soulcircus]
    #5941877 - 08/07/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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not at all, aesthetics is fine depending on the reasons behind it.




Aesthetics is aesthetics. We aren't here, debating the spiritual value of the bright blue feathers of a bluejay, which natural selection has provided to the bluejay to fufill the purpose of attracting a mate, and I don't see the difference. :lol:

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and maybe the answer is acceptance, thus changing the aspect of the non acceptance. some things will never leave you fully satisfied, until you realise happiness in the acceptance of the way it already is.




Perhaps it is important to realize that one needs to exist in a state of emotional fufillment, but yet this does not deny the fact that we are free to engage in behaviors that we enjoy partaking in.

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It's not a horrible reason itself, however, it does not help with your spiritual growth to beleive that you can find happiness through gaining attention/appeal from women due to physical appearance and looking for a partner on this basis too, this is more likely to vear you off course




Who implied that they are seeking attention from women by enhancing their physical appearance in order to derive a sense of happiness in doing so? Perhaps they are simply interested in gaining the attention of women, and are already happy?

Who the fuck knows? We are simply speculating on the intentions of people who do not actually exist, hypothetical figures who engage in certain behavior. Gaining a lot of ground, we are. :smirk:

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it doesn't bother me really, i didn't beleive that bodybuilders could continue what they do and effectivly follow a spiritual path.




Please, this is ridiculous. All it takes is a clear mind and some weights. :lol:

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however in pursueing the spiritual path much further down the line, bodybuilding in my opinion may still hinder growth.




Just as anything could still hinder growth if one allowed it. :rolleyes:

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    #5941894 - 08/07/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

can't people do both?


I used to run on the treadmil thinking about ****** thinking about me


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Re: Is bodybuilding really an ego building practice? [Re: soulcircus]
    #5941969 - 08/07/06 07:52 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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lol, i don't think i can put up a suitable argument by your standards  :tongue:




Thus, you cannot even pretend that your assumptions as to the intentions and motivations of bodybuilders, and the subsequent conclusions that you have drawn, have the slightest resemblance of reality.

You have no information to provide that substantiates the baseless claims that most bodybuilders have "egotistical" intentions, or that they cannot follow a "spiritual path". It remains as speculative opinion, wide generalizations that cannot represent much of any truth.

You can form whatever speculative opinion that you wish, but realize that no one is going to accept it as representing reality, and also that it is not worth the time to attempt to suggest to others that it is representative of reality, as there is no discussion that can ensue that will validate it.

Perhaps attempting such is a hinderance on one's spiritual path? Perhaps you are simply engaging in this discussion because you are insecure, and wish to seek happiness in having others read your thoughts? See? When I don't know your mind, and only know your behavior, I could make any assumption of your intentions that I could conjure up, and it could be the true intention that you operate with.

I am not going to propose that anyone who posts on a spirituality and philosophy forum are not going to be able to effectively follow a spiritual path because their intentions in doing so are simply stemming from egotistical intentions, just as I am not going to allege that anyone who contributes to charity simply has the intention of being rewarded with recognition, or perhaps Heaven.

You cannot discuss and draw conclusions from the intentions of a generalized group of people in such a way - it flat out does not work.

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but i still stand by my beleifs as being applicable to a vast majority of bodybuilders.




Yes, you have established beliefs and firmly stood by them, even though you have absolutely no information that validates the intentions of the vast majority of body builders, and your conclusions are all dependant on their intention.

Its a brazen assumption, which lies at the heart of every unsubstantiated belief. You could not seriously propose to have even directly interacted with 1% of bodybuilders, which would at least be a starting point in forming assumptions on an aspect of others that is still not directly evidenced in their behavior.

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i thought it was simple psychology




You thought wrong, and at this point I will inquire as to your experience in the field of psychology. Please elaborate.

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and even with the example of the cop, it still demonstrates a purpose to invoke a sense of fear through domination which is egotistical.




Incorrect; it demonstrates whatever conclusion one wishes to form, as their purpose is not evident in their behavior itself. One can propose any possible explanation for why they are engaging in such behavior, and, since you have no manner in which to test or validate what their actual purpose or intention is, then you cannot possibly form a conclusion - as they all remain possible.

For example, in the hypothetical situation regarding the cop, he is not bodybuilding in order to "invoke a sense of fear through domination". Perhaps criminals interpret his appearance as something they should be afraid of, but his actual motivation in building his body was purely out of the interest of the innocent people in his neighborhood, who suffer from crime. His heart went out to them, with no regard for himself, and his bodybuilding was purely selfless - he only took into consideration the interest of others.

You can't propose differently - it is a hypothetical person that I have created for the purpose of illustrating a point, and that was his intention. By expressing this, it demonstrates that a wide range of motivations are possible and plausible, and that you are, quite honestly, not in any sort of position to form brazen assumptions concerning the intentions of an entire group of people.

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i'd gladly alter my beleif if i ever came across a single bodybuilder who i felt was not doing it for any egotistical purpose.




Personally, I find an important aspect of the spiritual path is ensuring that one's perspective of reality is, at all times, the most reflective of reality, as much as one is currently capable of.

Forming beliefs that assert the nature of reality in the manner that you have is a hinderance to this. :shocked: One does not conclude that all bodybuilders are "egotistical" until one meets one that suspossedly is not. One simply acknowledges that, of the bodybuilders that one has met, they suspossedly are egotistical, and one does not form further conclusions that pertain to the rest of the incredible amount of bodybuilders that you have not interacted with.

I could proclaim that, based on my observations of you, your spiritual path is merely an egotistical one, and I would have just as much basis in doing so as you have in asserting that bodybuilders are egotistical. You can't have it both ways. :grin:

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Re: Is bodybuilding really an ego building practice? [Re: soulcircus]
    #5944048 - 08/08/06 12:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Hello,

I workout. It took about 3 years of gym membership before I could actually go regularly. Once I got broken in, I learned how to workout and eat.

I'm sure some people workout for looks or ego, but not everyone. For some people, it's about health, feeling good, eating good, and understanding the human body.

What is wrong with learning how to eat for function verses flavor? What is wrong with understanding how your body works.

Working out can become addictive, be cause of the endorphins.

Once I learned how to workout, I started a four day split (working different body parts on different days within one week. This is very easy, it takes 90 minute at most four days a week. Cardio isn't needed really.

The advantages to knowing how to workout (weight train) is perminate weight loss - by building muscle, your metabolizum shoots up and stays up (enless you let yourself loose the muscle your built).

Eating is easy too. It craks me up, seeing all these diets out there and people starving themselves.

Eating is easy, high protien, moderate fats, low carbs (mainly only oatmeal, sweet potatoes, or brown rice) and eating five to six small meals each day. Staving is crazy, eating 6 meals is the hardest part.

Eating 6 meal alone will change the metabolizum - digestion burns lots of calories. One can even "feel the burn", like after a workout, just from eating throught the day - it's amazing.

Judging someone who worksout seem a little like sour grapes to me.

What is wrong with understanding your own body? That seem very very zen to me.

For me, nice muscles, low body fat, better sex, more joy, are just extra bonus points, not the only or main reason for working out.

I started simply to have more energy and feel better since at the time I was a little despressed.


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