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MOTH
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Ego-Trap
#5275542 - 02/07/06 10:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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It seems it's easy to get embroiled within an ego-trap. Our ego's must be very clever. They can make a screen over our true (and perhaps less then honorable) intentions to make them seem more worthy of action.
When they say that Jesus was perfect does that mean he had no ego at all? Can you function in daily life without an ego?
No ego is pure love, correct?
So if every decision is born out of either love or fear, then it should be easy to tell which way is best, right?
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Re: Ego-Trap [Re: MOTH]
#5275551 - 02/07/06 10:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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EllemyshShade said: No ego is pure love, correct?
How do you figure?
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MOTH
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Good question...well...I tend to look at reality like this:
There is a higher state (spirit, Self, GOD)
And then there is a lower state (Body, ego, world)
Together, these things make the experience of life. Ego is the part which allows us to categorize and make sense of the life experience for our spirits. (I think) But too much ego can cause too much division, too much clutter. I see this in our global consciousness.
So anyway, in answer to your question, if one believes that every human decision is motivated by either fear or love (and fear is a survial response, a primal ego response - I think) then the absence of fear would mean the absence of ego...which would only leave love.
That's my take on it, anyway.
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Re: Ego-Trap [Re: MOTH]
#5275674 - 02/07/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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EllemyshShade said:
So anyway, in answer to your question, if one believes that every human decision is motivated by either fear or love (and fear is a survial response, a primal ego response - I think) then the absence of fear would mean the absence of ego...which would only leave love.
That's my take on it, anyway.
No, if one were to follow your premises, the absence of fear and love would be ego loss, not just the absence of fear itself.
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Re: Ego-Trap [Re: spud]
#5275680 - 02/07/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Good point...
Too bad we just can't exist in a state without ego. But then we probably wouldn't exist, would we?
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Re: Ego-Trap [Re: MOTH]
#5275684 - 02/07/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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EllemyshShade said: Ego is the part which allows us to categorize and make sense of the life experience for our spirits. (I think) But too much ego can cause too much division, too much clutter.
I agree with what you are saying here.
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Re: Ego-Trap [Re: MOTH]
#5275726 - 02/07/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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EllemyshShade said: Good point...
Too bad we just can't exist in a state without ego. But then we probably wouldn't exist, would we?
Indeed. Ego is essentially about identifying with our physical body. Without it, we would not have the control over our body that we normally do, and would be unable to survive.
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Re: Ego-Trap [Re: MOTH]
#5275734 - 02/07/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Without ego, your physical shell (body) would cease to exist.
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Re: Ego-Trap [Re: spud]
#5275870 - 02/07/06 11:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I like the sound of that. I mean, it makes sense. I guess the only thing we can do (since we need our ego's to survive) is to try and avoid the pitfalls our ego's create for us.
I keep forgetting there's not a roadmap.
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Re: Ego-Trap [Re: MOTH]
#5277148 - 02/08/06 11:44 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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>>>Too bad we just can't exist in a state without ego. But then we probably wouldn't exist, would we?
My thoughts exactly!
In one of my shroom trips, I experienced what I think was complete ego loss.
I lost all sense of self, all my programming, my senses - everything was gone but a bright white light/feeling (?) that enveloped me.
After this experience - I seemed to jump back to my body/mind with the thought that by trying to analyse/quantify the experience - I had lost it. This was accompanied by mental pain which is hard to describe...
I came to the conclusion (?) that even me trying to learn is a part of the ego.
I understand exactly what you mean by 'ego trap'. It comes back, hidden in better forms, when we try to remove it.
Its the part of us that programs our learning, thus it makes our assumptions, it makes us feel safe/secure and is almost every aspect of what each and every person believes themselves to be.
It seems it can be reduced though. Over-ego is the extreme of self obsession.
I think a fine balace is what is needed.
I think may only COMPLETELY remove the ego when we are dead!
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