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Creating a Martha tub for exotics * 1
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Hey y'all. I'm new to the practice of cultivation, but have a lot of theoretical knowledge (yay books). Before I dive into what I'm trying to create and why, since I'm new here I just wanted to mention my current basic grows and their progress.

I used liquid cultures of blue magnolia and GT to inoculate 2 rye grain spawns (~4lbs each spawn). Mixed with equal parts manure based substrate in their own 66qt monotubs (too big, never again, substrate gets shallow without higher ratio. I have 44 quart ones for future use). As of yesterday I have fully colonized substrate and doesn't look like any contam or spider webbing or discoloration. Pretty happy!

I'm about to apply a 50/50 casing layer of peat moss + vermiculite (with pickling lime) to both monotubs. If I understand correctly, this probably isn't needed for these strains, but I'd like to test the casing I pasteurized (slow cooker method) with these cubes before I move on to something which will require casing. I'd also like to apply the casing to the cubes since it's a tropical climate and I believe the casing can help control environmental factors a bit.


The Martha tub?
I'm trying to prep as much as I can before going after my real goal: subtropicalis (and pans cyans). Subtropicalis has cultural ties for my wife and her family, so it would be a dream to be able to pull off the grow. I'm going to go for the same methodology and inoculate organic rye with liquid culture. I chose cyans because I wanted something to test that had similar growth requirements in terms of FAE & humidity control (edit - not necessarily for growing at the same time, just a goal for the tub to be able to support the growth of either). 

I plan on using 50% dung based, 50% CVG as the substrate for both, and go with a spawn:substrate ratio of 1:2. Perhaps adding pasteurized straw would help, but I really think I'll be ok with this?

Regarding growing conditions...
I can't accommodate a martha tent where I live, but I know both strains need humidity + FAE control and evaporation. Rigging multiple monotubs each with their own fan and fogger just doesn't seem like a smart set up... I also have concerns that the monotubs would be too small for a fogger and cause droplet buildup on the myc. 

In comes the Martha tub. It's a clear 200 quart storage tub which can fit two 44quart bins inside or a handful of small bins. I drilled 2 inch holes covered by filters, similar to a regular monotub. The 200qt tub is connected to a hygrometer controlled reptile fogger and has a timer-activated fan facing outward to create negative pressure / cause evaporation / all the stuff.

For pans cyan, I plan on filling the bottom of the tub with water and have an aquarium heater keep it at ~80 F.

I've read through many threads/guides on shroomery on both strains, but I gladly welcome any and all advice :smile:

Seriously though, I have never done any of this before. Thoughts on whether the martha tub will work? lol

Edits for clarity.

Edited by SunshineMyco (11/12/26 11:24 AM)

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Re: Creating a Martha tub for exotics [Re: SunshineMyco]
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Just for clarification, you are talking about Panaeolus cyan and not Psilocybe cyans , correct?

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Re: Creating a Martha tub for exotics [Re: Incidental_farmer]
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Yep, pans cyans. Ill edit the post to clarify, thanks for bringing it up

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Re: Creating a Martha tub for exotics [Re: Incidental_farmer] * 3
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Welcome to the Shroomery Sunshine, we're happy to have you :hatsoff:

So, Subtropicalis HVC, and Panaeolus do not have the same needs and while you might be able to grow them in the same automated setup you will have to use different substrates if you want them to thrive.


Subtropicalis HVC and Tres Soles will do fine with just grain spawn to coir substrate, they will do fine with a nutritious substrate as well, but then you increase the chances of contamination for no reason.

Here's some grows.

Subtropicalis HVC on just coir in a tub and a cookie jar, 1:4 ratio. And no automated setup is needed.







Two trays of Tres Soles, one to the left is a nutritious substrate and the one on the right is just grain spawn to coir 1:3 ratio. Automated setup seems important for this variety of Subtropicalis, but I'll do some trails.







Panaeolus will need a nutritious substrate and vastly different temperature. Where Subtropicalis prefer 18-22°C pans wants 24-26°C.

I'm sure you can make a big automated tub and get it dialed in, but having tubs inside it will most likely make it really difficult to dial in and a lot of fog will accumulate inside the tubs, which might be fine for Subtropicalis, but pans will not.

The biggest problem I see with running them at the same time is temperature.


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Re: Creating a Martha tub for exotics [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Thanks for the insight! I’ll give the subtropicalis substrate some more thought about removing or lowering the manure content. It seems I may have overestimated how much it needs to thrive. I’ll have a lot of grain spawn so maybe I’ll try a few different methods alongside each other. I appreciate the recommendation.

I would love to be able to test the alkaloid profiles of the strain on different substrates… because in all honesty, the nutrition is why I want manure. Like, we know that adding tryptophan increases alkaloid content because tryptophan is a precursor molecule. I understand that many of the bioactive molecules are at too low of doses to be physiologically relevant, but, analogous to that, just because I can’t outright taste a spice doesn’t mean the spice doesn’t change the dish I’m eating. I believe that all the molecules play a role in the experience, even if 99% of the experience is dictated by a few key molecules.

I also should’ve clarified, the smaller tubs that go inside the 200quart tub will be lidless, because I share your concern about the fog buildup. I figured 200quarts would be the minimum viable size as it can house a terrarium for lizards with controlled humidity and without intense fog & drip build up. The 200quarts tub has its own lid, so it’s just 1 big box with tubs / trays inside. I’ll be sure to post pictures once I have it set up how I want it.

Also great point about the temperature, I don’t think that the two necessarily need to be grown at the same time in the tub, but the hope is that the tub would be able to support both strains through its FAE, humidity control, and tub features. Like for the pans cyans, I can fill up the bottom of the 200qt tub a bit and use an aquarium heater to keep it above 80F.

Edited by SunshineMyco (11/12/26 11:20 AM)

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Re: Creating a Martha tub for exotics [Re: SunshineMyco] * 1
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SunshineMyco said:
Thanks for the insight! I’ll give the subtropicalis substrate some more thought about removing or lowering the manure content. It seems I may have overestimated how much it needs to thrive. I’ll have a lot of grain spawn so maybe I’ll try a few different methods alongside each other. I appreciate the recommendation.

I would love to be able to test the alkaloid profiles of the strain on different substrates… because in all honesty, the nutrition is why I want manure. Like, we know that adding tryptophan increases alkaloid content because tryptophan is a precursor molecule. I understand that many of the bioactive molecules are at too low of doses to be physiologically relevant, but, analogous to that, just because I can’t outright taste a spice doesn’t mean the spice doesn’t change the dish I’m eating. I believe that all the molecules play a role in the experience, even if 99% of the experience is dictated by a few key molecules.

I also should’ve clarified, the smaller tubs that go inside the 200quart tub will be lidless, because I share your concern about the fog buildup. I figured 200quarts would be the minimum viable size as it can house a terrarium for lizards with controlled humidity and without intense fog & drip build up. The 200quarts tub has its own lid, so it’s just 1 big box with tubs / trays inside. I’ll be sure to post pictures once I have it set up how I want it.

Also great point about the temperature, I don’t think that the two necessarily need to be grown at the same time in the tub, but the hope is that the tub would be able to support both strains through its FAE, humidity control, and tub features. Like for the pans cyans, I can fill up the bottom of the 200qt tub a bit and use an aquarium heater to keep it above 80F.



Well I don't have any way of measuring potency other then eating the fruits and if you let Subtrops fully mature to the point of near death they are as potent as any shroom and I really don't see why anyone would choose to put all that extra effort into making and pasteurizing a substrate, when you could just eat 0,2g more, but there's nothing wrong with wanting to try things out for science, I have done and keep doing this myself.

:havesomescience:

Yes HVC will do equally good in a tub as in a automated setup, but in a tub there will be some manual misting and in an automated setup you don't have to do that, plus building a automated setup is fun :awesomenod:

And I have grown subtrops, pans, zaps, and paps in my automated tubs so you will be able to do the same, aquarium heater is a common way to grow pans without heating up the whole room, it will work fine.

As long as you smaller tubs/trays makes it easy for fresh air exchange you should be good. Looking forward to see some pictures of your setup :rockon:


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Re: Creating a Martha tub for exotics [Re: SunshineMyco] * 1
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SunshineMyco said:
Thanks for the insight! I’ll give the subtropicalis substrate some more thought about removing or lowering the manure content. It seems I may have overestimated how much it needs to thrive. I’ll have a lot of grain spawn so maybe I’ll try a few different methods alongside each other. I appreciate the recommendation.

I would love to be able to test the alkaloid profiles of the strain on different substrates… because in all honesty, the nutrition is why I want manure. Like, we know that adding tryptophan increases alkaloid content because tryptophan is a precursor molecule. I understand that many of the bioactive molecules are at too low of doses to be physiologically relevant, but, analogous to that, just because I can’t outright taste a spice doesn’t mean the spice doesn’t change the dish I’m eating. I believe that all the molecules play a role in the experience, even if 99% of the experience is dictated by a few key molecules.

I also should’ve clarified, the smaller tubs that go inside the 200quart tub will be lidless, because I share your concern about the fog buildup. I figured 200quarts would be the minimum viable size as it can house a terrarium for lizards with controlled humidity and without intense fog & drip build up. The 200quarts tub has its own lid, so it’s just 1 big box with tubs / trays inside. I’ll be sure to post pictures once I have it set up how I want it.

Also great point about the temperature, I don’t think that the two necessarily need to be grown at the same time in the tub, but the hope is that the tub would be able to support both strains through its FAE, humidity control, and tub features. Like for the pans cyans, I can fill up the bottom of the 200qt tub a bit and use an aquarium heater to keep it above 80F.



Kloakk is absolutely right and you should actually completely skip the manure with the Subtrops, it's a lot of hassle for nothing. Kloakk uses dreamer tubs and foggers etc and have amazing results but I use simple ez dial tubs and they're doing insanely good in there too. I use nothing but an ez dial tub, millet and coir. As Kloakk mentioned it requires manual misting but this is to show how simple they are and the fact that they don't need much at all:lol: please don't overcomplicate Subtrops...




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Re: Creating a Martha tub for exotics [Re: SunshineMyco] * 1
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I am also a bit of a noob with a couple of successful cube grows under my belt. When I decided to try out exotics as my next project one key factor in favor of subtropicalis/semperviva is not having to deal with manure. I decided not to add too much more complexity and rather move into exotics step-by-step, and leave the pans until I can grow subtrops successfully.

Edited by xplasta (11/12/26 01:24 PM)

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Re: Creating a Martha tub for exotics [Re: xplasta] * 1
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Sounds good. I’ll keep it simple and go for coco coir for subs for my first go around with them and save the science experiments for after I’ve become proficient in cultivation.

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Re: Creating a Martha tub for exotics [Re: SunshineMyco] * 1
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Since I don't think anyone else is posted this:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29041297#29041297

It's similar to what you're thinking of so you might be able to grab a couple ideas from it


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Re: Creating a Martha tub for exotics [Re: SunshineMyco]
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SunshineMyco said:
Sounds good. I’ll keep it simple and go for coco coir for subs for my first go around with them and save the science experiments for after I’ve become proficient in cultivation.



Or make twice the spawn and do both, then you can dial in the automated tub while you have regular tubs going :awesomenod:


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Re: Creating a Martha tub for exotics [Re: Kloakk]
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
Since I don't think anyone else is posted this:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29041297#29041297

It's similar to what you're thinking of so you might be able to grab a couple ideas from it



I havent seen that thread before, thank you! The core concept is very similar.

Kloakk said:
SunshineMyco said:
Sounds good. I’ll keep it simple and go for coco coir for subs for my first go around with them and save the science experiments for after I’ve become proficient in cultivation.



Or make twice the spawn and do both, then you can dial in the automated tub while you have regular tubs going :awesomenod:



Haha I just might end up doing that.

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