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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris] * 1
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No. That would reduce the chances. Overall, it would be best to do it without any grain at all

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris] * 1
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Anomalocaris said:
is a 1 to 1 spawn to substrate ratio pretty good for pans? Will it increase success rate?


I prefer a 1:4 ratio, smaller grains/seeds will give you more inoculation points and in most cases speed up substrate colonization and increase success rate, but it comes down to clean spawn and proper pasteurization.


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 5
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tree frog said:
I would add a touch more casing.




Got pins! Casing was a bit thick thb, but it worked. This is my first pan grow ever! I only used CV and manure.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: leproos] * 1
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leproos said:


Got pins! Casing was a bit thick thb, but it worked. This is my first pan grow ever! I only used CV and manure.


:nice:


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk]
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If i make coir and mix it with pasteurised composted manure its fine right? I dont need to pasteurise the coir as well?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris]
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Anomalocaris said:
is a 1 to 1 spawn to substrate ratio pretty good for pans? Will it increase success rate?


If the grain looks suspicious then I would top it with casing rather than 1:1 and fruit it in a small container.  Or mix it with substrate and put it outside somewhere in the shade with grass for cover.

Outside of that, if you are using carbon in your substrate such as straw, you want less grain.  And as gulis mentioned, and as strawboys grows show, you can get great results without using any grain at all if you use straw.

And there's a lot of folks that are growing without straw, so you're going to hear different optimal ratios from different folks depending on what their substrate preference is.

Personally, I've done a number of grows just off of popcorn cased with peat and a bit of worm castings.  Which has the advantage that you can top fruit it in a little jar, worry less about bacteria, and breed quickly.  Or just get fruits if you want to scope them or check out friends crosses (which is why I ran so many popcorn jars last fall).

I typically do 1:2 - 1:4 when I'm not using straw.

But ultimately it's about bioavailable carbon to bioavailable nitrogen (30:1).  In other words, for every 30 g of digestible sugar, they want around 1 g of digestible nitrogen.

So again, a lot comes down to personal preference rather than best.  And I don't believe all grains are equal as far as bioavailable nutritients.  Or that all Copelandia even have the same preferences.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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Here's some old popcorn only fruit just for fun.

India



Sus bvi qt jar spawned to a take out tray



Early bvi backcrosses for f1 spores.  Note the structure in this first photo, that's cords/consolidation.





F1 or 2 of the same


And an unstable cross some of my friends worked on.  These had a really cool spore color under the microscope, like crimson.  But folks I know that have ran this cut out struggled to get it to drop the next generation.  I think it's like (MiB*komodo island) * (bvi*eungai).  So a lot of different genetics in it that ended up not very viable.





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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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So let’s pretend I’m growing strictly for the purpose of enjoying fresh fruits as they mature. I have no need for a flush to produce more than 15-20 wet grams ever.

You’re saying I can likely just case my grains without fiddling about with nutritive sub?


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A Love Letter to New Growers
The 7 Edicts of Mushroom Cultivation as Decreed by Smellyhobbit

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Anyone can get a canopy. But can you get what you want?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris]
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Anomalocaris said:
If i make coir and mix it with pasteurised composted manure its fine right? I dont need to pasteurise the coir as well?


I mix my coir prior to pasteurizing, I want the beneficial bacteria to be present everywhere, just pulling shit out of my ass, but I can pasteurize a lot of substrate in my steamer.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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I think it depends on the grain and likely species.  Brown rice, wheat, and corn all have good nitrogen.  Popcorn also holds a lot of water, and I haven't tried to top fruit other grains.

There might be others too that are high in nitrogen, as this information comes from human nutrition, so grains we don't typically consume I wasn't able to check.

And I was adding nitrogen and minerals to the casing (via a handful of worm castings per qt of dry peat).

You also certainly don't need a fancy setup.  As long as temperature is good.

The fruits are ugly and sparse because it's a late flush.  But this is a dubtub with water in the bottom.  I haven't tried bisporus on grain only.  Though I have ran them in AIO jars successfully.  But they would appreciate this fruiting setup more than cyans.

Also these are AIO.  I just wanted to show what's possible if you don't want to invest a lot in them.



11g wet and quite a bit more meaty than I typically get with automation.



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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

Edited by tree frog (07/12/26 10:59 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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Also this is the same cut as the ones above. So we can see how much difference conditions affect fruit morphology.

Low air flow and high humidity they gets tall. They probably assume they're in grass or something.


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I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog] * 1
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I’ve been growing them in dubbed water tubs pretty much exclusively. It’s really not hard to make coir with added LF, so I’ll just keep doing that. I usually just have more waste coir than I want after the fact, and it doesn’t keep.

Thanks for the info 👍


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A Love Letter to New Growers
The 7 Edicts of Mushroom Cultivation as Decreed by Smellyhobbit

:kodama:


Anyone can get a canopy. But can you get what you want?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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tree frog said:
I think it depends on the grain and likely species.  Brown rice, wheat, and corn all have good nitrogen.  Popcorn also holds a lot of water, and I haven't tried to top fruit other grains.

There might be others too that are high in nitrogen, as this information comes from human nutrition, so grains we don't typically consume I wasn't able to check.

And I was adding nitrogen and minerals to the casing (via a handful of worm castings per qt of dry peat).

You also certainly don't need a fancy setup.  As long as temperature is good.

The fruits are ugly and sparse because it's a late flush.  But this is a dubtub with water in the bottom.  I haven't tried bisporus on grain only.  Though I have ran them in AIO jars successfully.  But they would appreciate this fruiting setup more than cyans.

Also these are AIO.  I just wanted to show what's possible if you don't want to invest a lot in them.



11g wet and quite a bit more meaty than I typically get with automation.




So ur telling me I can take shittier spawn and turn it into gold?


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit]
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Smellyhobbit said:
So let’s pretend I’m growing strictly for the purpose of enjoying fresh fruits as they mature. I have no need for a flush to produce more than 15-20 wet grams ever.

You’re saying I can likely just case my grains without fiddling about with nutritive sub?


Even easier to use a nutritive sub and stop fiddling about with grain

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: strawboy]
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Propaganda from big straw!

:crankey:


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A Love Letter to New Growers
The 7 Edicts of Mushroom Cultivation as Decreed by Smellyhobbit

:kodama:


Anyone can get a canopy. But can you get what you want?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
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More like big rabbit turds

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: strawboy] * 1
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See I knew my grandma always wanted a rabbit she's never talked about. I'ma go get one for her now :wink:


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An enigma some caerulescens n a mono 😎

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: bloodssonnew] * 1
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Gogo grain spawn. Boooooo straw


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris]
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Why not do both?


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An enigma some caerulescens n a mono 😎

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Anomalocaris]
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I have hemp herd in the pastuerizer.  And spawned some India on it last week.

Figure I will get to Tractor Supply early fall, and grab some straw boss.


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I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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