flapping_bird said:

ALL PARTICIPANTS:  I need some info from each of you as to the varieties you are growing/intending to enter, so that I can determine if we will have any subclasses of competition. Right now, we have the “overall” and (I think) a ochra subclass. 

Please declare/repost the varieties you are growing, and I’ll  organize the list and see if we’ll have any subclasses of competition.

The available subclasses of competition are: classic cubes, ochra, PE-variants, pans, subtropicalis, and woodlovers.

In order for a subclass to form, there *must* be at least two entrants in the same subclass.

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flapping_bird said:

Hrmmmmm....well, I've not directly encountered that situation myself. I would be inclined to let it ride so that the cake fully colonizes before birthing, otherwise you may lose some cake during the dunk-n-roll step.  Cakewonder - any words of wisdom?

That Jack Frost is aching to get out and grow! Way to go!

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Penman said:

MycDrop said:

This jar is has a pin, not fully colonized yet. What's the standard operating procedure here? Let it ride or birth it early? Thanks for any help.

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I had this happen to me and I chose to birth and dunk it. After birthing I removed the uncolonised parts that were loose then dunked and rolled. It was successful and produced a good amount, going for its second flush right now.

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Cakewonder said:

done the same to my cakes many times, at that level they wont contaminate unless you cough into them. THe air inside forms a smaller vacuum, thats why its easy to listen for the pop, then pull the lid quickly upwards, then shut them fuckers tight ...

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Cakewonder said:

INjured or sick substrates perform badly in any way. You cant fruit "half a cake".

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Ive had a ton of cakes that had "badly injured" substrates (when I was experimenting with substrate mixes) the center of the cakes would often become a hard sticky clump of impenetrable mess, but it never seemed to be an issue ime, id just wait for the mycelium to colonize as much as it was able to and then id dig out the uncolonized parts with a tea spoon. Cakes fruit normally and flush several times without issues. Heres proof of this heresy:







Cakes inoculated with a clean culture are literal zombies, you can slap them around like Daffy Duck and they will just say "thank you" and produce canopies.


Maybe I should add that I fruit my cakes around the same temps where they naturally grow, around 30C or 86F. I just got back into bulk growing but now I will start a new batch of cakes just for the heck of it. hello CW and everyone see yall a little later down the road, hopefully soon

edit: forgot to post proof of the temps lol, I know it sounds scetchy hehe

Cakewonder said:

THe small vacuum (or air shortage indide) does not require more filtering, this was my invention and its nowhere in P.fanaticus first tek. The pop restores oxygen levels and prohibits stalling (if thats the problem..) Its not even in Zirans revised PF TEK.

Thats why I dont take my foil off of the containers before inoculation.

first layer of sterility, the foil you put over when steaming.
Second layer, the dry verm layer.

Personally I wash my jars immediately in cold water to chill them down(with foil on),
the fast temperature change i feel helps due to the thermo-killing properties
of heating something up real fast and then cooling it down real fast.

Its called pasteurization:) At least i THINK thats the case..

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Archespore said: Didn't realize they needed so much micromanagement...

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Cakewonder said:

mycelium ismycelium, it will fruit, I know that but I am on the side of the beautifulness of cakes:) I guess I am sucker for looks.

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If you have pics of cakes that are more aestetically pleasing than those pics I posted of my "badly injured" substrates id very much like to see that, personally I havent seen anywhere anyone grow BRF cakes that consistently produce hundreds of pins that end in 40-50 full grown fruits 70-150g per flush. There's a specific reason I posted these in reference to your claim, and my counter argument is that focus should be on producing clean cultures for inoculate while substrate quality can be experimental and sub optimal and results should mirror fruiting conditions and cleanliness of culture.


here is how un-injured subs look, not much different, mind you with or withour a verm or coir layer. This is why I say focus needs to be on fruiting conditions and clean cultures.


optimal surface conditions: (zoom in to see)


pins pins pins pins (I never assume for more than a 15-25% of fruits to reach maturity for a lush canopy of fruits per flush, nevertheless the more pins a cake produces the more optimally the fruiting conditions are set

bloodssonnew said:

What's the maximum u've fit in a big water tub for... Science..

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9-12 cakes is realistically the maximum what would fit in a large tub if cakes fruit simultaneously and produce optimally. Here's for reference 7-9 cakes can fill an entire medium size tub

bloodssonnew said:

Rotations... Yada yada...

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Yes, rotate as you see fit, remove substrates that you deem irredeemable, fill up with the good ones and so on. At most im working with up to 80 1/2 pints at a time. As a beginner id reccomed you start with as many jars as you can handle/afford/have time to work with.