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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kunta Kente]
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Kunta Kente said:
It's funny because where I am, the hot South, well... In about 3 weeks outside they would be toast very quickly, but inside we keep it very low 70s. So I need to heat them lol



Low 70s is fine, no need to heat them. They produce a couple degrees of heat while cooking as well


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BagShaker] * 1
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If youre chasing potency you shouldn't be allowing your fruits to overmature before harvest as this decreases the amount of actives per mg of mushroom

I run my dehydrator at 45 degrees Celsius (113f) and they are plenty strong so I've never personally experimented


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: BagShaker] * 3
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BagShaker said:
Thank you, that's what i believe in, i see a lot of people almost cooking shrooms and saying they're still active, but i don't want them to be still active, i want te most psilocybin :grin:

so you dry at 113 because you think going up may degrade the active ingredients?


It sounds like you're asking mostly about the myth regarding dehydrators destroying actives. No, your dehydrator is not making your mushrooms less potent.

Water boils at 212 degrees, and we use boiling water to extract actives from mushrooms for tea, gummies, etc.

You want to dry your mushrooms as fast as possible in the dehydrator, as the moisture content is really what's going to degrade that actives. Psilocybin is very stable inside the matrix of dried flesh. It's when we introduce moisture from improper drying or storage where we experience problems.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome]
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How long do ochra spores normally take to germinate on agar? I streaked four plates a week ago, and none of them are showing any sign of germination. I still have a second swab, and I'm deciding if I should go ahead and streak some more plates or wait it out.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AntaresWeevil] * 1
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Anywhere from a few days to several weeks. There's no "ochra spores take this long." It depends on the genes, on the freshness, on your agar firmness, on your technique, and plenty of other factors. Spores germ when they want to germ.

Definitely wouldn't hurt to just streak some more.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Smellyhobbit] * 1
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Makes sense! This is my first time working with ochras, so I kinda just jumped in with little knowledge. I'll definitely do some more plates tonight.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: AntaresWeevil]
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If you're using a swab, try dampening the swab with some sterile water first, or even poking it into the agar after your streak. Moisture is a big help.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Alembic]
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Alembic said:
Considered this. Was hoping someone had a good solution that perfectly fit a bag without touching the sides that was a little bit smaller of a footprint so I could get two.


Oh my bad, then I don't know, where I live it took a month and VAT just to get the presto :muppet: And my bags touch the PC walls every time, never melted.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk]
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For those of you who have done a lot of PF Tek - is there any major downside to letting some BRF jars consolidate for ~2 weeks after they're fully colonized instead of just one week? I have 8 jars colonizing at different rates and would prefer to birth them all at once.

Based on the look of things some will probably be colonized in a day or so, others probably have a full week to go.

Last time around I birthed everything at exactly a week after colonization and some of my cakes took forever to pin although all produced eventually. I got ~37gs dried out of 12 cakes last time around so I'm basically trying to improve my methods/understanding of everything before I invest in a pressure cooker and move on past the PF Tek.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: neuroshaman]
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Got a chinese magnetic stirrer and just remelted the failed agar. It came out perfectly this time. Very stiff, jelly substance.
Altough the magnet did have trouble moving the stir bar when the agar got more viscous.
But for most things I suppose it will be sufficient. I think this machine will come in handy mixing many things from agar to liquid culture to various tinctures.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: brominegeek93] * 1
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: brominegeek93]
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
Nah they're not loose, and the filters were sucking inward when I took them out and started shaking them. Not buldging outward. And yeah they're the stick on filters.


I'm assuming you mean hot as in the PC has naturally released its pressure and the contents are still very hot, not 'i took the seal off to quick vent the whole thing immediately after the timer completed' as that should never be done.

You shouldn't shake jars or massage bags while hot. You can compromise the filter due to the pressure differential. There is a decent sterile air buffer inside the PC while cooling so air infiltration in flipped unmodified lids is a non factor.

BagShaker said:
Should i dry my fruits at 113-122F till cracker dry or the fastest the better? what degrades more psilocybin, the time in the dehidrator or the heat?


The research I read was the actives start degrading mainly around boiling (212f), and that the larger factor for potency drop is enzymatic action that starts immediately upon tissue damage. The enzymes require oxygen and moisture to work. Going around 145-160f will denature the enzymes and remove moisture quicker, thereby removing the main degradation causes.

brominegeek93 said:



Funky agar lol


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Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

Edited by Kunta Kente (03/17/26 02:37 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kunta Kente]
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Kunta Kente said:
Sulfurshelfsean said:
Nah they're not loose, and the filters were sucking inward when I took them out and started shaking them. Not buldging outward. And yeah they're the stick on filters.


I'm assuming you mean hot as in the PC has naturally released its pressure and the contents are still very hot, not 'i took the seal off to quick vent the whole thing immediately after the timer completed' as that should never be done.

You shouldn't shake jars or massage bags while hot. You can compromise the filter due to the pressure differential. There is a decent sterile air buffer inside the PC while cooling so air infiltration in flipped unmodified lids is a non factor.

BagShaker said:
Should i dry my fruits at 113-122F till cracker dry or the fastest the better? what degrades more psilocybin, the time in the dehidrator or the heat?


The research I read was the actives start degrading mainly around boiling (212f), and that the larger factor for potency drop is enzymatic action that starts immediately upon tissue damage. The enzymes require oxygen and moisture to work. Going around 145-160f will denature the enzymes and remove moisture quicker, thereby removing the main degradation causes.

brominegeek93 said:



Funky agar lol


Yeah i waited for the pc to depressurize first. I did some wbs and had some advice to shake while still hot to keep it from clumping. I'll wait a bit before my shake next time. Thanks!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Sulfurshelfsean]
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Quick question has anyone used Coco Bliss I have been having issues with my new coir brand. Its harder to squeeze to field capacity tends to be to wet really easily.

I keep getting contamination from clean grain I think my stuff is to wet but I was partially being lazy and not squeezing enough.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: CaptainTrips420]
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Sulfurshelfsean said:
Yeah i waited for the pc to depressurize first. I did some wbs and had some advice to shake while still hot to keep it from clumping. I'll wait a bit before my shake next time. Thanks!


Ah, to be clear I'm talking about general sterilization technique for PC (or really any lab sterilization). Maybe with wbs you need to do something different but it would be contrary to standard protocol. Personally I just shake after it's cool enough to hold able to redistribute the condensation, but I'm using rye or oats.


CaptainTrips420 said:
Quick question has anyone used Coco Bliss I have been having issues with my new coir brand. Its harder to squeeze to field capacity tends to be to wet really easily.


I switched to coco bliss and love it compared to zoo eco earth or whatever the super cheap reptile stuff was. I squeeze a small amount quite hard and look to see it leaking between my fingers.

Coco bliss is much more homogeneous and has less sticks and lone pine needle looking things in it (which is why I like it).


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Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kunta Kente]
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Cool thanks mine has lots of weird stuff like pebbles but is has worked it just requires more squeezing than my last brand. Im definitely going to get coco bliss next time I read older threads saying its the best but thought stuff might have changed.

Anyway thanks :growshrooms:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Kloakk said:
Alembic said:
Considered this. Was hoping someone had a good solution that perfectly fit a bag without touching the sides that was a little bit smaller of a footprint so I could get two.


Oh my bad, then I don't know, where I live it took a month and VAT just to get the presto :muppet: And my bags touch the PC walls every time, never melted.


:whathesaid:

Bags can touch the side, no problem. I don't know how people are melting bags. The cooker wall shouldn't get any warmer than the interior (121 °C) - maybe they're using high gas flames (directly heating the vertical wall rather than only the horizontal bottom that had water in it) or not using the required 3 quarts of water and running the thing dry. I use an induction Presto, and I've had it on my range "power boil" setting and not had a bag melt. Usually do use the setting just below that on the Presto, though.

You can fit 4 5-lb bags in a single Presto if you stuff them, two per layer. Two bags will fit really easily.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: CaptainTrips420] * 1
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CaptainTrips420 said:
Cool thanks mine has lots of weird stuff like pebbles but is has worked it just requires more squeezing than my last brand. Im definitely going to get coco bliss next time I read older threads saying its the best but thought stuff might have changed.

Anyway thanks :growshrooms:


I switched to Coco Bliss like 6 tubs ago.

NEVER going back! Love that shit!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: fahtster] * 1
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fahtster said:
Rotnpins said:
:popcorn: awesome!

Do you seal your swabs up right away or are you supposed to let them dry?

Nichrome said:
Should someone remove sunflower seeds when using WBS for spawn that will be used directly and not expanded?




I pop em back in immediately and seal with tape.  I do only swab one side of the tip tho so maybe that plays a role but I have 0 problems from doing it this way.  Lots of ppl with clean swabs from me to back up the practice, me thinx


So do you think I would be able to swab, put into ziplock bag and seal in groups of two?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Splittinghairs] * 1
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Splittinghairs said:
fahtster said:
Rotnpins said:
:popcorn: awesome!

Do you seal your swabs up right away or are you supposed to let them dry?

Nichrome said:
Should someone remove sunflower seeds when using WBS for spawn that will be used directly and not expanded?




I pop em back in immediately and seal with tape.  I do only swab one side of the tip tho so maybe that plays a role but I have 0 problems from doing it this way.  Lots of ppl with clean swabs from me to back up the practice, me thinx


So do you think I would be able to swab, put into ziplock bag and seal in groups of two?


Instead of Ziploc bags, just put them back into the little individual sterilewrapper that they come in. Two fit in there easily.

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