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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kunta Kente]
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Thank you guys for the advice. There's a lot of similar parts that can be switched out or improvised like TF is doing and others on here like Fahtster with his bags instead of tubs. I don't have a dedicated outhouse or tent like some of you guys so I'm just trying to keep things clean. I'll fresh up on some easy agar recipes and try TF's jar method next round I think.

Thank you for reminding me about the pH, I have a pH/UV/moisture meter I can use as well as some litmus paper I could test some slurries with. The water is heavy in calcium already but I will double check. Worst case scenario could I use peppermint calcium carbonate tabs as my source?

I think pasteurizing won't be an issue for smells. I'll make sure to use agar for pasteurized coir or peat. I'm starting to see the benefit of agar now because unless I clone I don't think I'll be able to get decent fruits. I actually read a few threads where people were casing with sand and had great results and I also found this very interesting.

And thanks TF for the tip on FC technique for peat, I had noticed some of my jars have more peat in some areas in my casing and it is indeed hydrophobic. I have recently resorted to misting these areas directly because otherwise my light mists are never enough and everything else gets wet except for the peat. It was driving me bonkers, and this explains it. If I put a couple drops of water on these areas it takes a long time to get absorbed as well. I mist when making my FC now instead of just adding water. Maybe misting these peat areas directly will bring positive changes.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tultedspoon]
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For those who tried: How do you dose fresh Pans?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kunta Kente]
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This is great information, thank you a thank you for tree frogs post and wisdom. I am greatly looking forward to this experiment and am taking careful steps to plan everything so it’s right.


Stupid, novice question. What do you mean .5% malt extract vs. a normal malt extract recipe? Are you using half of the ingredients?


Also, what plates do you prefer specifically for agar, and how much agar per plate?

I am personally going with wild bird seed for pans

Edited by Dj_karma_magnet (02/18/26 11:39 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ansr]
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I did some weight tests on TTBVI a while back and found them to be 96% water. So 25g fresh is equivalent to 1g dried in that case. There will be a lot of variation so you’ll have to do some tests to know for sure.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: strawboy] * 4
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I think these pan tex came out nice plus I found this weird little guy underneath them


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dj_karma_magnet] * 1
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Dj_karma_magnet said:
What do you mean .5% malt extract vs. a normal malt extract recipe? Are you using half of the ingredients?


Also, what plates do you prefer specifically for agar, and how much agar per plate?

I am personally going with wild bird seed for pans


Sorry I'm on mobile and don't have links. 0.5% refers to percentage of total solution (mL). So, 1L would be 5g. Personally I have those super choice lab grade media bottles with the orange top (highly recommend) so I do batches of around 400-500 mL and therefore use around 2.5g LME and 5g or so agar. (So 1% agar).

We call 0.5% nutrients 'low nutes' and the 1% normal and higher than that high nutes, at least that's how I have always seen those numbers referred to.

For cubes people usually favor 1% nutes, and for pans 0.5%. I can go into detail of why, but just knowing that's the norm is enough for a lot of people lol


I use full size 90mm glass plates like $20 for 10 I think... I started on like... 80mm plastic (pp5 so you can PC them) plates which were I think $20 for 20 (I could be wrong but around that).

The plastic are good to start with and for cycling (as in, going t2 to grain and t3 to preserve potential good cultures so you can return to the culture if it has better yields than others.

The glass is nice for all reasons other than it's breakable. After several uses the plastic will steadily become less transparent. I use micropore tape with the plastic plates and sometimes just a couple of pieces of painters tape or similar just to hold the lids down. I use parafilm for the glass.


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My posts are long winded and dense.
Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

Edited by Kunta Kente (02/19/26 02:23 AM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dj_karma_magnet] * 1
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Dj_karma_magnet said:
Stupid, novice question. What do you mean .5% malt extract vs. a normal malt extract recipe? Are you using half of the ingredients?


Also, what plates do you prefer specifically for agar, and how much agar per plate?

I am personally going with wild bird seed for pans


The way I remember it is this:

1% = 1gram in 100mL. An mL of water has the mass of 1gram, so 1gram in 100grams is literally 1% of the total. If you want 0.5% it’s 1/2gram per 100mL, or as KK said, 2.5grams for a typical 500mL batch of agar.

I like 100mm plastic single use plates. Nest or Celltreat are good brands that I’ve used. I use as much agar as needed to completely cover the bottom of the plate. No need to make them full. My 500mL batch of agar makes 20-25 plates, which is convenient because that’s how many usually come in a sterile sleeve. I don’t like to run out of agar during a pour, so the first few plates I pour are usually a little thin and the last ones in a stack will have a thicker layer of agar as I see I’m not in danger of running out. I use the thicker plates for longer term storage or slower species. Thin ones get used up quick before they have a chance to dry out.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: ansr] * 1
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ansr said:
For those who tried: How do you dose fresh Pans?


Ya know I was gonna put something up about this, from 10g fresh pans the dry weight typically seems to be about 0.75-0.85g.

So cube math isn't even close really (considering the difference .25-.5g could make to the experience).

Hope that helps 👍


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: conz0r] * 1
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2 litres (half popcorn, half substrate) in the larger ones and 1 litre same ratio In the smaller.

Substrate is a mix of coir/verm/gypsum done in varying ratios to try and "dial in" what mix they might prefer. Also some are a little heavier on popcorn and vice versa.

All noc'd with agar T+1 not being picky and chucking just under a quarter of a plate in larger ones and a bit less in the smaller ones. Going for diversity first up to pick out decent clones to move forward with.

I have a feeling they'll work just great... My thanks go to T-F.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: conz0r]
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conz0r said:
ansr said:
For those who tried: How do you dose fresh Pans?


Ya know I was gonna put something up about this, from 10g fresh pans the dry weight typically seems to be about 0.75-0.85g.

So cube math isn't even close really (considering the difference .25-.5g could make to the experience).

Hope that helps 👍


Two gramm of dry of potent cyans is equal to ~5-6 of mean cubes

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Noah Keeper]
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Was going to do a Martha tent but after reviewing a previous post I saw somebody recomending me a dream monotub setup. Seems like it’s a little more work to set up than a Martha tent but once it’s going it’s set and forget and less room for error then a Martha tent. Any recommendations on which way a novice with experience with neither should use?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dj_karma_magnet]
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A good starting place would an aquarium style setup with air stones. You can always modify it later to incorporate a humidifier.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: strawboy]
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Aquarium pumps are loud.  But that's about the only thing I don't like about that setup.


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I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: tree frog]
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That's why I had to stop using them. My grow space is in my office and the noise was driving me nuts.  It's an easy setup though.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Dj_karma_magnet] * 2
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Dj_karma_magnet said:
Was going to do a Martha tent but after reviewing a previous post I saw somebody recomending me a dream monotub setup. Seems like it’s a little more work to set up than a Martha tent but once it’s going it’s set and forget and less room for error then a Martha tent. Any recommendations on which way a novice with experience with neither should use?



Depending on what you are looking for and how much you want to spend, both can give great results. If you get a humidifier with a humidity sensor, a double dreamer is easy to build and easy to dial in.



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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kunta Kente]
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Is the idea of the dream monotub simply being a smaller volume therefore less air quality / condition fluctuations? Just simply looking at that picture the entire premise looks like the JOC tent scaled down... But maybe I'm confused on something


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My posts are long winded and dense.
Supplemented coir experiments< Currently ongoing spring 2026.

~Agar~ 1000mL water = 1000g water. use ~1% agar...1% of 1000g is 10g.  For cubes, use between 1-2% nutes (10-20g). For pans use 0.5% nutes (5g).

Everything I have typed is purely fiction, and is purely for personal amusement.
All images I've posted are not mine and I am simply posting interesting things I found on the Google.

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kunta Kente] * 3
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Kunta Kente said:
Is the idea of the dream monotub simply being a smaller volume therefore less air quality / condition fluctuations? Just simply looking at that picture the entire premise looks like the JOC tent scaled down... But maybe I'm confused on something


I would think the original dreamer write-up is not scaled down in terms of how many trays you can do as that uses 4 tubs, but what a 4 tub dreamer can do that I think would be hard with a Martha, is to have different humidity and/or temperature in the same tent. With dreamers it's pretty easy to get different humidity and temperature in each tub by placement and fan speed.

I also like the dreamer because the water from the fogger gets trapped inside the tubs. The way I run mine, and I have 6, I don't need to worry about the humidity in the room I run my tubs, which I also like. And besides the fans, they are really easy to clean.

But like I said, both work good and choosing one over the other depends on preference I would think.


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Some fungi are only edible once.”
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Edited by Kloakk (02/19/26 03:24 PM)

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kloakk] * 13
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Delicious BVI clusters.


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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: angamshroom]
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Same 2 jars, just from different sides. New to pans, a couple of questions:

1. clean enough?

2. if so, a few more days?

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Re: Official Copelandia/Panaeolus Thread [Re: Kunta Kente] * 4
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The reasons I went to automated tubs after running things in a tent for over a year were temperature control and gnats.

I use a bit different setup than pheno's, but experimented a lot with his design before settling on doing something different.



Anyway, I like these big black totes with the weather seal lids.  They hold temperature very well.  But took a lot of work to build.

If I were to start over, and didn't need to worry about gnats or keeping my grow space warm in the winter.  I would wait to invest in anything until faht drops his Ziplock tek.  And use my simple tub in the meantime if I needed too.  But using heating pads on top instead of bottom to deal with the condensation issue.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/29419466#29419466


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And if I only could
I'd make a deal with God
And I'd get him to swap our places
I'd be running up that road
Be running up that hill
With no problems

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