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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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Considering steam sterilization and or pressure cooking 4oz pf-tek BRF jars. What time should I sterilize for steam and pressure cooking, 4oz jars? Standard advise and times, is for larger jars like 8oz jars I think. Is 4oz jars, half the time? Does anyone have tested advice for 4oz jar sterilization? thanks =)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: EmeraldDream21]
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Probably like 90 mins, but better long than too short

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Ziran’s pf tek


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mackload]
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Is this B+ agar plate clean enough for a transfer to grain?
I did this plate using just a alcohol flame to see if it would work. I didn't. 5 contams with 6 plates.
It's been transferred from one plate that was inoculated with spore syringe.

Also if the professional agar plates don't have holes for FAE do my DIY sauce cups need a hole?

Thanks!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Libertycap97] * 1
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Very hard to tell from that picture.  Best make another transfer, several more cups or plates. No you don't need a hole in a cup.:thumbup:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mackload]
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What do you think about this techik with agar jar and taking transfer. Lifting jar turn it my direction and looking in front of my sab. Lids like shield from anything falling.  Any possible mistages? My thumb finger too close? Of course i will be with gloves.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: maimunji] * 1
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Seems ok, don't need a hole in that lid if for agar though


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nichrome] * 2
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Okay ladies and gents, I'm ready to go to bulk!  I think I'll be sending at least (my first) two jars tonight.

I prepped some coir last night (H2O = 4.25 x the coco bliss brick weight), boiled and soaked overnight (see the HHG for deets). This morning the coir was too dry. Like I could not, with all my strength, squeeze a drop out. I added 500cc of RO H2O , capped the bucket, gave it a shake, and left for work.

The question: What do all you geniuses feel is the best practice for hydrating coir up to field capacity when the initial water calc comes up short?  Should it be hot, cold, does it matter?  Etc. Please discuss....


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nokumana] * 1
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From what I have read people use the boiling water because it breaks the coir down some more, allowing for easier and faster colonization.

You already did that, so just adding tap water until field capacity is OK. The coir is nutrient deficient so you don't have to worry about it much, contamination comes from bad spawn.


So, just add water to field capacity. You should be good to go, take pics and share if you would like to!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nokumana] * 1
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I had nearly the same situation this morning, except worse: some chunks of coir weren't hydrated at all.  This was after a 4.25 ratio.

I first added 1 cup of boiling water, and then 2 more half-cups at intervals (allowing the moisture time to disperse) and stirred things around a bit.  Seems about right now.

[ confession: I did spill a little bit of water last night while carrying it over to the coir bucket (my PC), but it didn't seem like that much ]


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Edited by andymc (02/02/26 11:33 AM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ihytsuna]
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ihytsuna said:
i want to start growing my own mushrooms that contain psilocybin to treat my mental health. any help on what i jeed is appreciated!



Welcome, ihytsuna! You’re in good company and the right place, friend! Best place to start is the HHG (hitchhiker’s guide to the shroomery), linked in my signature block. Please also stop into the New User Welcome Wagon thread as well to say hello there! Also linked in my signature block.

Peace to you, friend! Welcome!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: andymc] * 3
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hidingbush said:
From what I have read people use the boiling water because it breaks the coir down some more, allowing for easier and faster colonization.




I wouldn't say it's quite so much that as the fact that the steam and hot water penetrate more effectively, allowing full hydration with a lower ratio.

I'll admit that I still harbor some superstitions about blasting it with boiling water and killing any random lurking nasties, as well.


andymc said:
I had nearly the same situation this morning, except worse: some chunks of coir weren't hydrated at all.  This was after a 4.25 ratio.

I first added 1 cup of boiling water, and then 2 more half-cups at intervals (allowing the moisture time to disperse) and stirred things around a bit.  Seems about right now.

[ confession: I did spill a little bit of water last night while carrying it over to the coir bucket (my PC), but it didn't seem like that much ]



I do the exact opposite: one massive pour of boiling water straight from the stove. Immediately seal the lid of the bucket and put in the cooler. Let the steaming and recondensing water do all the mixing work for me.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: B Traven]
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My RO water is cooled which makes it more of a pain to boil. But I'm too paranoid about fluoride and chlorine in the municipal water to use hot water straight out of the tap for anything related to supporting mycilium. I used cold RO this morning bc time. But when I get home I need to get this coir ready for Spawn so I'm going to boil up a pot of water and just start adding/shaking until I get it to field capacity. I'm guessing doing that with hot water will certainly be more efficient ultimately.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nokumana]
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I add to much water to my CVG every time. I just made some I squeeze it till no water comes out but several cups worth comes out. I make sure to use a lot of water but after its squeezed it hasn't gotten contamination yet ever.

Its strange I swear South American, Asian and North American Cubensis have different smells to them. Later today I should get South African Transki and Tasmanian the ones from Fiji and Texas are interesting too.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nokumana] * 1
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I would double check the accuracy of the scale just to verify that it is accurate. Get a roll of nickles and add one at a time to the scale and make sure it is increasing by exactly 5g with each nickle.

Other than that, when I did my first batch the top seemed to dry also. I then realized that the bottom of the bucket was more saturated than the top so I gave it all a good mix and let it sit for a few more hours and retested it and it was perfect. Not saying this is the issue here but definitely worth checking before adding additional water as it is much easier to add more water than it is to remove it. Keep in mind that you want to be on the dryer side of of field capacity also as over-hydration will lead to slow colonization.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nokumana] * 2
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Meh, I don't think you need to boil the water you're adding to bring it up to the hydration level you want. Use cool water and then you can use it pretty much immediately, unless there are whole dry chunks in there that need time to expand.

4.25 L/kg seems pretty low. Even the shitty reptile bedding stuff I used to get would take 4.6 L/kg or so. The hydroponic 5 kg blocks I have now (Hydro Crunch from Amazon...no longer available) can easily take 5 L/kg and still have a little capacity left for a heavy misting after spawning.

Re. additives in the water: chlorine boils away, so no need to worry about that. If your municipality adds chloramine instead, you'll need a special filter to remove it (and you will need that even with an RO unit - the normal filters and the membrane cannot filter chloramine and it's not good for the membrane). Still, in the quantity found in city water, neither of those, nor fluoride, is likely to have any noticeable effect on bulk substrate or even grains. (I use tap water for everything other than agar and LC, and for those the RO is mostly about clarity and consistency since my place has two different water sources at different times of year.)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RhyzoPhreak] * 1
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RhyzoPhreak said:
I would double check the accuracy of the scale just to verify that it is accurate. Get a roll of nickles and add one at a time to the scale and make sure it is increasing by exactly 5g with each nickle.

Other than that, when I did my first batch the top seemed to dry also. I then realized that the bottom of the bucket was more saturated than the top so I gave it all a good mix and let it sit for a few more hours and retested it and it was perfect. Not saying this is the issue here but definitely worth checking before adding additional water as it is much easier to add more water than it is to remove it. Keep in mind that you want to be on the dryer side of of field capacity also as over-hydration will lead to slow colonization.



Thanks,RhizoPhreak. I did indeed did my hand deep into the bucket and mix it up bottom to top before deciding it was dry.

Your point about the scale is very well taken. Probably explains the trouble I have with dough hydration percentage when I make sourdough as well. That's the first place I'm going to look.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Phaethon]
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Phaethon said:
Meh, I don't think you need to boil the water you're adding to bring it up to the hydration level you want. Use cool water and then you can use it pretty much immediately, unless there are whole dry chunks in there that need time to expand.

4.25 L/kg seems pretty low. Even the shitty reptile bedding stuff I used to get would take 4.6 L/kg or so. The hydroponic 5 kg blocks I have now (Hydro Crunch from Amazon...no longer available) can easily take 5 L/kg and still have a little capacity left for a heavy misting after spawning.

Re. additives in the water: chlorine boils away, so no need to worry about that. If your municipality adds chloramine instead, you'll need a special filter to remove it (and you will need that even with an RO unit - the normal filters and the membrane cannot filter chloramine and it's not good for the membrane). Still, in the quantity found in city water, neither of those, nor fluoride, is likely to have any noticeable effect on bulk substrate or even grains. (I use tap water for everything other than agar and LC, and for those the RO is mostly about clarity and consistency since my place has two different water sources at different times of year.)



Thanks for addressing my mostly speculative comment with a more empirical reply. This helps.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Nokumana] * 1
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I am going to say quality of coir is a factor. Anecdotal for sure.

BUT

I used a shitty brand of coir for the longest and always sopping wet. Multiple tubs.

Switched to coco bliss. Same Verm quantity. Same water. Perfect consistently.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Splittinghairs] * 1
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:whathesaid:

My shitty coir sometimes leaves a good handful of sand (and pebbles) in the bucket, that easily amounts to 5+% of the original weight of the brick. Go figure.

But checking / calibrating your scale is sound advice. Anyway adding some water is way less of a chore than wringing it out.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Splittinghairs]
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This is the first time I've run coir and it's Coco Bliss per the Beef meister.


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Edited by Nokumana (02/02/26 04:31 PM)

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