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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: mush_monkey] * 1
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mush_monkey said:
So I think I suffered from information overload again. Boiled 2.8g of Syrian rue seeds for 30 min, then tried to crushnthe seeds boiled them again with fresh water for 30 min and then simmered it to evaporate . Got this



I'm keeping it in the fridge to do the  psilohuasca thing tomorrow. Prolly a dumb question, it will still be active, no?



The majority of the actives is in the water from the first boil. Hope you saved it and combined the two liquids? The second boil will get only small ammounts of alkaloids.

But yeah, harmalas are pretty stable, when frozen the liquid will be active in months still.

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
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Moclobemide gives me body load all on its own. I couldn't imagine throwing down a few grams of shrooms on top of it...at least for me, it would probably be very uncomfortable.

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: jgotti]
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jgotti said:
Moclobemide gives me body load all on its own. I couldn't imagine throwing down a few grams of shrooms on top of it...at least for me, it would probably be very uncomfortable.



Stop using moclobemide as an MAOI


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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: mush_monkey] * 3
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Hey mush-monkey, did you take the psilohuasca yet? If so, how was the trip?

I'm about to harvest some new shrooms today. It's my first grow in years.
I'm excited to dive in again, thinking about adding some harmalas, too. :smile:

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon]
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Finna do it tomorrow or Sunday.

I tried the Syrian rue tea and didn't feel anything (maybe some non-euphoric relaxation that lasted some hours, I'dont know, maybe I was looking for some effects and, it's just I'm a chill guy) so I figured I'd wait a week more and wait for mushroom tolerance to wane.

I'll report back if it works.


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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: mush_monkey]
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It seems you've underdosed. How much did you try?

Some batches of seeds are pretty weak. I prefer to take harmala until I feel a slight nausea at the beginning. Later it wears off, but it’s a good indicator for me that I’ve reached the right level of harmala effect.

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Bra]
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I made tea from 2.8g seeds. I'm drinking now this from 2.9g



I hope the greenish tint is normal

I think I read that with tea you don't get nause. that comes from the plant material not the harmalas (I might mixing up things with mescaline and cactus though 😅)


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Edited by mush_monkey (01/05/25 04:36 AM)

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: mush_monkey] * 1
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Have fun and report back.

Don't expect any noticable effects from the harmalas alone. The effects get more obbvious in higher doses, like 5g of rue and more.

How many shrooms did you take ontop of that?

The greenish tint is totally common! :smirk:

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon] * 4
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4g of dried cube (7-8 months old I guess).

The rue does produce a sense of stillness in ke (like stops the inner monologue, random thoughts, reenactment of past scenes) but very non-euphoric. I took the shrooms after an hour and tbh I wasn't expecting much. The trip wasn't particularly intense (nice OEV, and very nice but short lived CEV) but I kept falling in and out of dreams in which I was living other's peoples lives, with memories in the dream of other dreams and of "actual" dreamt timelines.

When I "stopped dreaming", I "felt" how thoughts were formed and tried to propagate themselves but not attached to a self(recently I dozed off to a YouTube video about agentic memories, so I think I was "inspired" by it).

Then I had to reconstitute myself (I hope you find it in you to excuse the grandiose wording, I'm high after all) and questioned myself why and what into.

It occurred to me that you bundle your thoughts and emotions around the dialogue with your loved ones and that's the self.  Conversely, if you don't have loved ones or relationships that you care about, there isn't really a need for a self and you're as good as gone for society.

In the comedown, say 5 hours later, after the mandatory psylocibin good vibe (thang God in her infinite wisdom for that), I have this neutral stillness

All in all, very good. But I think I prefer the I've got my ass kicked but I survived feeling. Prolly I'll try 7g of shrooms on their own next time.

I'm not done with the rue, though, it's just that this sensation of stillness out of not really caring about anything is arguably not what I need rn 😅


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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: mush_monkey] * 2
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You never tried it with the mescaline?

Moreover, there is circumstantial evidence for traditional use of ayahuasca containing mescaline and/or other B-phenethylamines in Amazonian Peru. One of the most complete scientific studies of ayahuasca yet conducted reported the use by Peruvian Indians of a cultivated Opuntia species, called tchai in Sharanahua, as an ayahuasca admixture, and said to be "very strong."[ * ] Another cactus, a species of Epiphyllum, known as pokere in Sharanahua and wamapanako in Culina, was likewise added to ayahuasca.(15) A Shipibo informant recently stated that tchai was no longer employed in ayahuasca, the resulting brew becoming too intense.(16) We have no phytochemical data on these cacti, but several species of Opuntia are known to contain low levels of mescaline, (17) and preliminary human bioassays suggest that the B-carboline harmaline might in fact potentiate mescaline - low doses of 60 and 100 mg mescaline hydrochloride, corresponding to 51 and 86 mg base or 0.78 and 1.32 mg/kg respectively, were decidedly psychoactive. The combination of mescaline or mescaline-containing cacti with B-carbolines has been dubbed peyohuasca.(5,18)

15. Rivier, L. and J.-E. Lindgren (1972). 'Ayahuasca,' the South American hallucinogenic drink: An ethnobotanical and chemical investigation. Economic Botany. 26(1):101-129.

16. Bianchi, A. and G. Samorini (1993). Plants in association with ayahuasca. Jahrbuch fur Ethnomedizin und BewuBtseinsforschung. 2:21-42.

17. Ott, J. (1993). Pharmacotheon: Entheogenic Drugs, Their Plant Sources and History. Natural Products Co., Kennewick, WA.

18. Ott, J. (1994). The Age of Entheogens & The Angels' Dictionary. Natural Products Co., Kennewick, WA.

5. Ott, J. (1994). Ayahuasca Analogues: Pangean Entheogens. Natural Products Co., Kennewick, WA.


Jonathan Ott. Pharmahuasca: On Phenethylamines and Potentiation. MAPS newsletter, Volume 6, Number 3, Summer 1996, 32-34

*B. N. Meyer, Y. A. H. Mohamed, and J. L. McLaughlin, ‘β-Phenethylamines from the cactus genus Opuntia’, Phytochemistry, vol. 19, no. 4, pp. 719–720, Jan. 1980


There are two harmaline-mescaline reports in TiHKAL in the harmaline entry:

TiHKAL (part 2). 1997. Alexander Shulgin. #13 Harmaline

See WITH MESCALINE


My lack of further experience with pure harmaline derives from my having been engaged, since the time of the above research, in the study of harmaline combinations: harmaline-MDA, harmaline-TMA[1], harmaline-mescaline and others.

[1] TMA: trimethoxyamphetamine.


The Healing Journey: New Approaches to Consciousness. Claudio Naranjo, 1974. 4. Harmaline and the Collective Unconscious


A retreat owner has tried this combo, but he doesn't like it:

I dont recommend adding Syrian Rue to San Pedro for a better San Pedro experience because I dont think it makes it better.  I think it makes it harder to hear San Pedro and makes the experience a little harsher.  I do recommend Ayahuasca brews with t'chai - I think its a pretty nice mix and it does enhance it a little bit (not a huge difference, but a mild addition that is nice).  I think it makes it easier to to talk to Ayahuasca and makes the experience a little more positive leaning and lovey dovey feeling.

MapachoCura, Feb 16, 2024, https://old.reddit.com/r/Ayahuasca/comments/1ap318x/heads_up_on_syrian_rue_vs_caapi_as_an_maoi_to/kqp15h9/

I never ignored that harmine/harmala has mild psychedelic properties on its own (I wrote articles and published a book about working with vine only brews many years ago so am well aware).  I never said it doesnt.  I just said I dont find mixing MAOI's with San Pedro to be beneficial or worthwhile - San Pedro is better on its own.  Mixing more things doesnt always make it better, sometimes it detracts or just isnt very noticeable etc.  In this case, you will be slightly higher but not much, but San Pedro doesnt seem to like the mix and talks to people way less.  Also increased nausea and body load for no added benefits.

MapachoCura, Feb 14, 2024, https://old.reddit.com/r/Ayahuasca/comments/1ap318x/heads_up_on_syrian_rue_vs_caapi_as_an_maoi_to/kqfnxa6/

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: s240779]
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Only tried mescaline once (ate some San Pedro powder) and I think it was taxing enough.

I have one Bolivian torch cutting but, If we go by the links you posted, mixing it with rue doesn't seem like a terrific idea, right?


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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: mush_monkey] * 1
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^ only guessing. And no. I don’t think it would be a good idea at all.

I ate 50grams powder and after a bit ate another 50grams cause nothing was happening. I would not want the stim like effect to be strengthened or lengthened at all. I had a very difficult time for a short time at the peak. I couldn’t imagine it being more difficult and or lasting longer.

I mean maybe if you dosed it just right but I’m voting no. It already last so long as is. Easy no.

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: s240779] * 1
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I've taken low dose harmine with low dose allylescaline and also gave that combo to two people. If the harmala or MAOI mescaline combo is undesirable, it isn't in low doses, and even that guy, above, who said he doesn't like San Pedro w/ rue says that Opuntia cactus ("t'chai") w/ ayahuasca enhances ayahuasca, and it seems like that amounts to a microdose of mescaline.

Based on the molecular structures of psychedelics, it seems like psychedelic phenethylamines would go great in combo with tryptamines as there isn't much overlap between the phen base and the tryp base. The combining of the two types helps to recreate LSD (structurally):


Credit: Designer Drug Exposé: Lysergamides. Tripsitter. Tripsitter and Justin Cooke, Dec 16, 2023

Comparison of the molecular structures of the three types of psychedelics


I've mixxed cactus tea resin with shrooms. Best combo ever,

Wutang_Forever, 11/19/15, Re: Combining Psilocybin and Mescaline. Anyone done it?


Harmalas can loosely be described as weak tryptamines (see below), psilocybin is 4-PO-DMT, so ayahuasca is like shrooms with extra tryptamine spice and if you add a bit of mescaline (or similar), it's like adding another spice, it probably gives it the lucidness that is characteristic of phens and ergoamides.


“The harmala alkaloids are psychoactive in man at oral doses of 25 to 750 milligrams. A small dose (25.50 milligrams) is a CNS stimulant. It increases mental activity and produces a pleasant dreamy state for several hours. The larger doses—200 milligrams up to 750 milligrams—yield the hallucinogenic effects.”

Peganum Harmala: The Hallucinogenic Herb of the American Southwest. Albert Most (pseudonym for Ken Nelson), 1985. Venom Press


“The harmala alkaloids also possess some activity as agonists in their own right.  In Pelletier's Alkaloids: Chemical and Biological Perspectives, the affinity of harmine, harmaline, and six other β-carbolines was assessed in rats.  They were found to have moderate affinity for μ- and δ- opioid receptors (IC50 5-13 μM), and minor affinity for the principally hallucinogenic 5-HT2A receptor (IC50 = 58 ± 6.8 μM), and others of this subtype.  For perspective, the classical psychedelic drugs exhibit dissociation constants measured in nanometres (nM, 1×10−9 M), while the activity of β-carbolines at the same sites is measured in micrometers (μM, 1×10−6 M), which is an order of magnitude less.  This explains why the harmala alkaloids are only weakly psychoactive as compared to the psychedelic tryptamines they loosely resemble.”

Ped, via private message, 2014

Edited by s240779 (01/12/25 09:12 PM)

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: s240779] * 3
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I am now 33.

At 19 I took ~3g Peganum plus 7g Psilocybin.

I saw a council of Godheads & an Eye.

:howyoudoing:


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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: t3h_Lord] * 5
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Hi there,

I just want to share my recent experience with this combination which took place exactly one week ago.

Haven't taken a big dose of shrooms in 6 or 7 years.
I took 4g of very potent cubes along with 100mg of pure harmala extract taken 20min earlier.

It was very intense and profoundly deep. :smirk:


I initially took only 3g of mushrooms, I grew them like 9 months ago and hadn't really tested them yet.
After one hour or so the floor started shifting just slightly, so I decided to take another gram ontop.
Oh boy I should have waited another 15min, the trip hadn't even started..

Some outrageous visuals that I remember:

As soon as I downed the redose, my wooden floor planks not only moved sideways,
they started flying and hovering and turned into what looked like a layer of swirling patterns, hovering like a fog cloud a foot above the ground.

My computerscreen looked so alien to me, I found myself checking if there were any updates installed that I missed, because the menu and stuff looked so unfamiliar to me, as if I had a new operating system or what.
Couldn't find the window with that particular info :lol: so I eventually went off of the computer.

I then realized I had to lay down. Laied down most of the time of the trip, as I couldn't do any more than that physically, especialy after the redose kicked in ontop.
CEVs were insanely detailed, not only mandala-styled patterns but superdetailed pointclouds and 3d-objects, shifting and morphing and doing all kind of nonsense I just cannot describe..


Opening the eyes was difficult, because too much was going on.
Ancient symbols like hyroglyphes or runes and organically winded strokes and tribals were carved into the ceiling and walls.

Objects duplicated themselves and flew and reached towards me,
the spirits of my plants were comming out enveloping me and filling the air around me, like some cosmic whirlwind of incomprehensible patterns. It was incredible.

There were times I was convinced I was telepathically bound to my 16months old daughter,
who was out with my wife at some kind of children's playground at that time, with colorful tunnel systems, long slides, mirror cabinets and all that stuff.
In my mind I WAS my child, doin ALL that in my CEVs, like reliving all that adventurous fun as if it was the first time.
So much fun but chaotic nonsense also. I felt and learned how difficult it is for a newborn to comprehend the world and living and all that.

The peak effects did last maybe 4 hours, with another 4 to 6 hours of slowly and gradually comming down.
Couldn't find musch sleep, even 10 hours after ingestion there were still colorful intense CEVs like ancient tribal patters flashing my sight.

Many more happend but I still cannot find words for it.

I now know what people that use ayahuasca or mushrooms mean when they say they "use it to speak to their ancestors and spirits".
Incredible combination. Like ayahuasca. Or even better, like ayahuasca combined with mushrooms.

Psilohuasca is absolutely astonishing.
Maybe more sinister, clinical, dark and "raw" compared to mushrooms alone.. yet much more therapeutic and seriously deep!
Also longer lasting, more intense and different. Like a different drug, just by adding a pinch of harmalas.

:justastonishing:



To sum it up here are some quotes from me, from the WCA thread last week:

Pandemoon said:
Hey guys what's up?

'm a father of a cute girl of 16 months.. Haven't taken a big dose of mushrooms since., :smile:

Today the wife and child are away in some kind of adventure playground for kids...

And I thought I stay at home and take some mushrooms.
I took 4g of selfgrown superpotent amazonas cubensis with 100mg of selfextracted harmalas... :strokebeard:

I thought I know mushrooms..  I was totally wrong. :lol:


What the fuck??

I mean the kid was away.. and I WAS my child for hours..

What the ACTUAL FUCK is HAPPENING?? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

It was so intense... I was laying on my couch, couldn't do more than that physically.. :smile:
But in my mind I WAS my child, rocketing the adventure playground as ia 16 months old, for hours..

I mean 4 to 5 hours complete overstimulated chaos, paired with neverending resonances and shit.
Like a VR child simulator. paired with ayahuasca. What the FUUUUUCK?? :strokebeard:

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It's been 6 hours since dosing and I'M still sooo lit while I type. :shrug: Glad it's fading now. So intense and exhausting. BAM. :rockon:

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Pandemoon said:
What a great trip that was.. couldn't find much sleep last night, ancient germanic tribals and symbols flashed in and out.
"Slept" maybe an hour and a half at max, then had to leave for work. I was so tired I took a hit of acid in the first break to help me get through the day and sort my mind.

Well, yeah reflecting the experience gave me some insights.

I learned how difficult it is for a small child to grow up and get used to the world and living in general,
when litterally everything you experience makes no sense and seems impossibe to comprehend at first.
Good education and care is most rewarding love one can recieve. :sun:

I see what spiritual folks and native tribes that use ayahuasca or mushrooms mean when they say they "use it to speak to their ancestors and spirits".
During the trip there where times I was convinced that I'm telepathically bound to her, like live-piloting her actual mind.
Now I think it's just my subconciousness caring for her in a good way, yet it felt so damn real.

Mushrooms are so damn therapeutic, I completly forgot how amazing they are.
Been using acid mostly the last years, but mushrooms, especially with harmalas, are a totally different league.
This was my first deep-end mushroom trip in 6 or 7 years. I wonder where I have been all that time. Feels good to be back in tune! :smirk:

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon] * 3
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Great report! Psilohuasca is certainly its own beast, in my experience too. I resonate with what you said about it being darker - not necessarily in a malevolent way, but something shadowy perhaps.

The vicarious experience through your daughter is really interesting! Reminds me of how harmine used to be called “telepathine”.

I did have the experience on psilohuasca of traveling through these kinds of underground “psychic tunnels” that would connect me with the souls of others… through the heart space


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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Blue Cthulhu] * 5
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Having a psilohuasca session today, it'll be my first using extract rather than seeds.
Very excited! But also slight
:freakout:
I've tested the extract a few times alone, so I'm hoping it'll be a lot less heavy on the body than seeds were.
Well, going to go continue preparing for a few hours- catch you later!
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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Lithop] * 1
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Nice, have fun and report back!

Any infos about the extract, like did you make it yourself or did you buy it online? How much are you going to take?

With pure harmalas I found 100mg to 140mg plenty for a psilohuasca journey.

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Pandemoon] * 6
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Thanks Pandemoon- I enjoyed your recent report.
:biggrin:
Harmalas extracted at home w/ rue seeds, took around 160mg in a capsule then a 2.5g shroom mix of Ochras & x7x+ mix 35 mins after.
This lesser amount of shrooms gave a long lasting but relatively grounded trip throughout, with more the option of leaning into it, than holding on fror dear life in spite of it.

WAYY easier on the body than seeds- still some light nausea, but in those times I just sat or lay still anyway.
Love the dreamy feeling of the combo and the strange way it seemingly expands the psilo character, beside what simply taking more mushrooms would.  It is curious how easy it brings memory recall, emotional resonance of those times included, very emotionally immersive.

Great for meditating,  I put all the lights off and was listening to Maria Sabina chant .wavs I have & at times it felt as though my head would detatch at the base and float up like a balloon, as well as other interesting effects around where I was perceiving as me or the space around me.
Like as though I was feeling within my body, but then someone polarised the 'image' then it was more like I was feeling all around my body, switch & repeat.
Awesome, although overall there was a markedly lesser euphoria than when on the seeds, but I dunno how much of that came from the elation of coming through the horrible bodyload? With the seeds, I really thought at times I may die or had been poisoned :lol: after that came this sort of, crazy euphoria, that was verging on unhinged but THOROUGHLY enjoyable in retrosepct.  I also used higher shroom dose as well as THC concentrates throughout with the seeds though.
This time just the odd dry herb puff toward the end when me and my lady watched "Van Helsing" I fuckin laughed my arse off, that movie is berserk.

By 10pm was in bed zoning out to the Citizen Sleeper soundtrack.

Feels too... fancy for me repeat too often recreationally, very theraputic.
I really look forward to trying it in nature while camping some time. Under a sky full of stars with wind blowing the leaves...
:awesomenod:

As for today, got a great sleep- I'm feeling motivated and rested, psychedelics really are a 'soul savepoint'.
But I'm craving the recreational factor a bit, so I'm gonna get some supplies, drop some LSD then watch 'Small Soldiers' in 4K & see where my sunday goes from there.

Cheers!
:hellyeah:

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Re: The official psilohuasca thread [Re: Lithop]
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Quote:
With the seeds, I really thought at times I may die or had been poisoned :lol: after that came this sort of, crazy euphoria, that was verging on unhinged but THOROUGHLY enjoyable in retrosepct. 



My only experience with this combo sounds kind of similar, started off fine but devolved into thinking i was dying and then some hours of blackout, waking up to  the realization i was still alive (a good reason to be happy i guess :p ). Had a sore throat after.

Also, all that (and a lot more undisclosed) from just 2,5g libs and 1,5g rue seeds.I didn't put much effort into set and setting though :facepalm3: Definitely taught me to respect the mushroom a bit more.

A random memory i have from the trip is realizing that i have free will, walking to the fridge and squeezing a shitload of mayo straight into my mouth :laugh2:

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