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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Proposition 122]
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I would always adjust the time. There is no alternative. Any adjustment of the pressure to compensate for time affects the nutritiousness of the product in the end which we should never find acceptable unless we just want to grow half ass mushrooms. Buy another cooker if you need to produce more. Advising hobbies who have complete control over the the 50 or 60 lb of grain at most they would use in a year try to shortcut nutrition is just absurd.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: el53]
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Sometimes I hate my phone I delete the first one if I knew how since I'm not even sure how it posted.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: el53]
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Its at the top of the post itself.

I'm not sure i get it. I pc up to 20 psi.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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Does anyone else feel like nobody uses the term microdose properly?

Like i can tell they are asking me to get high but not too high..

But dude.. you want to take less than that, every other day.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids] * 1
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tryptkaloids said:
Does anyone else feel like nobody uses the term microdose properly?

Like i can tell they are asking me to get high but not too high..

But dude.. you want to take less than that, every other day.



Yeah it's sort of a fluid definition across what I've read. Fadiman talks about it a bunch in Psychedelic Explorer's Guide, which I take as a bit of newb intro. Hamilton Morris said something at some point I believe where he's sceptical of the "micro" dose's effectiveness which is, by my understanding, is where we're at in terms of studies with a decent sample size. I prefer doses I can feel, less often, to threshold anxiety and not breaking through, like too small of a DMT hit that leaves me sweaty and feeling dread without the trip.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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Like twice in the last month I accidentally felt a buzz when microdosing and I didn't like it a bit Christ if I wanted to be high I'd be prepared for it but taking my every other day dose and suddenly feeling wonky it's not fun.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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So at 20 psi you sacrifice nutrition in your grain f aor time required at correct sterilization temperatures. It really isn't my opinion it's every food canning standard that says that.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: el53]
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we are not canning food nor are we loosing nutrition in grain spawn from pcing at 20pis. stop derailing with inapplicable nonsense.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: el53]
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el53 said:
Let me try to put this a different way and give you an example to prove it. The whole point of pressure is to get into the temperature range of 250 to 260 for boiling water also this thing that it creates for sterilization. If you go too high you can literally with pressure turn your grain into sludge and if not all of it certainly that accounts for all that weird moisture at the bottom of jars and I can prove this. Ever tried pressure cooking a turkey leg? They really come out awesome just look up the right PSI for where you live throw a steamer basket and a turkey leg in but while you're at it add an onion. 10-15 minutes after you reach pressure turn off your heat, let the pressure cooker naturally aspirate and open. Your turkey leg is fall off the bone tender but where's your onion it's disappeared  and you magically have onion gravy under your steamer rack. Why you may ask. Because the onion did not require high pressure cooking and was simply pressured into delicious sludge. Sterilizing your grains at over psi's will do the same thing to them. Don't ever ask yourself again why you have sludge in the bottom of a bag or a jar.





That's not how it works. Please stop spreading nonsense here. It's becoming clear you're not here for answers or help. And calling an agricultural entity about a physics issue is just dumb. But yo do you.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: RoscoeReturns] * 1
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RoscoeReturns said:
Nobody answered my quick question:

You still trust the government?



Absolutely not but I do trust the government scientists to be well qualified in their respective fields and do as they are told the majority of the time. Those are the qualities that get them into those positions in the first place.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: mushboy]
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Can mycelium itself get contaminated? Sorry if this is a stupid question.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: el53] * 2
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el53 said:
So at 20 psi you sacrifice nutrition in your grain f aor time required at correct sterilization temperatures. It really isn't my opinion it's every food canning standard that says that.



Please do not feed the Trolls.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Puffin] * 3
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Being qualified and doing what you are told ARE mutually exclusive.

A qualified researcher publishes results as they find them regardless of what they are told to do


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"Remember, kids, the difference between science and screwing around is writing it down" -adam savage
Flowchart for Recommended plan of action.
Learn the tried and true way to grow mushrooms
Use the Damn search engine
After you know what you're doing, take a break 
Pick a book, Make some chips!
Josex said:Don't take the site seriously bro, ain't worth it.
 

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: noomer]
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noomer said:
Can mycelium itself get contaminated? Sorry if this is a stupid question.



It's called endohyphal bacteria (EHB).

At least one endohyphal bacteria is even known to pass through sporulation into child cultures.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: noomer]
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noomer said:
Can mycelium itself get contaminated? Sorry if this is a stupid question.



I dont think its a stupid question. I think its an important distinction between contams that are competing with your mycelium and contams that are attacking your mycelium.

Trich will eat your mycelium.


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"Remember, kids, the difference between science and screwing around is writing it down" -adam savage
Flowchart for Recommended plan of action.
Learn the tried and true way to grow mushrooms
Use the Damn search engine
After you know what you're doing, take a break 
Pick a book, Make some chips!
Josex said:Don't take the site seriously bro, ain't worth it.
 

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: el53]
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el53 said:
So at 20 psi you sacrifice nutrition in your grain f aor time required at correct sterilization temperatures. It really isn't my opinion it's every food canning standard that says that.




Where? Please show us all proof of this. Please provide the studies that you read that back this up in any way. That 20 psi will degrade the nutritional viability of the grains used in mushroom cultivation in a measurable way. Or STFU.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: FuzzyFoot]
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Wow.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: anders]
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Wouldn't the first thing that needs to be proven be whether or not the degraded nutrition negatively effects mycelium growth and mushroom formation?

Heat denatures proteins, but whose to say that it's not beneficial to mycelium digesting it?

I propose you create an isolated culture, run several dozen successive jar rounds/tubs, one with grain prepared our way, and one with your way and show the results.

Until then it seems like arguing for argument sake. You never know, you might have the better method. Until it's proven, arguing it seems irrelevant to me.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: FuzzyFoot]
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Considering you are the one who thinks that grain is not food that breaks down under extreme heat and pressure I suggest you prove that it doesn't. There is a massive body of evidence proving food nutrition breaks down under over pressure and overheat. If you don't think the mushrooms need a nutritious substrate why not just grow them on cardboard? Because you know they do that's why you continue to use grains. I know exactly what properly sterilized by food canning methods grain does and has always done. I also know the at best questionable results people get from sterilizing grain at pressure/heat's higher than required.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: el53] * 1
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Cooking meat reduces its nutrition, but increases its digestability. Some loss can be beneficial.


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