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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: evercloserutopia] * 1
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evercloserutopia said:
I'm so glad to hear it!

I misremembered and for some reason thought you had to drop a lot of the plate on each jar. Guess I'll put 1-2 wedges on each one.

I'll do some grain jars and some LC cuz they're fast to prepare.
Have 2 1-month old WBS jars that look fine which I think I can use. And 3 more that I'm straining and will be ready tomorrow.



My suggestions would be to only use 1 wedge per jar because it lowers the risk of contamination, at least in a SAB. I use 60mm plates and almost always divide that between 4 jars, but I have done 6 and it didn't take more then a couple of days extra in terms of colonization time on my jars :naughty:

Stipe-n Cap said:
I use the standard "thick" SFDs exclusively. They work great.





Yeah I know you do, you bad boy :datass:

Joking aside, yeah I saw your video when I first started out, but couldn't source the thick SFD's then. Now that I have them I was wondering if they allow enough GE so that I could tighten the lids as soon as I pull the jars from the PC or if I should wait until the jars are cooled, just looking for another way to keep contamination out of my jars :strokebeard:

I've read about people even have the lids tight during PC, but that sounds sketchy :uhoh: How are you legends doing it?

Edited by Kloakk (07/16/25 01:59 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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I pnly bother putting loose lids in the pc with unmodded lids


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids]
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tryptkaloids said:
I only bother putting loose lids in the pc with unmodded lids



:hewut:

Then again you're a hardcore gangster, and I'm a scared virgin, when we speak about mushroom cultivation I mean :muppet:

Are you using the leak proof plastic lids and thick SFD's?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Oh, I see. I misunderstood. As trypt pointed out, you can run loose lids unmodified. The threads function as a type of barrier to contamination, much like a swan neck flask does.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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Stipe-n Cap said:
Oh, I see. I misunderstood. As trypt pointed out, you can run loose lids unmodified. The threads function as a type of barrier to contamination, much like a swan neck flask does.



I get that unmodded lids must be loose during a PC run, and that the threads works as a barrier, what I am wondering though is, with RTV'd "thick" SFD modded leak proof plastic lids, can I tighten the lids before the jar is cooled to room temp or would that result in vacuum and deformed lids?

I was also wondering if foil on the lids helps keep the SFD's dry(during PC cycle) and or helps with contamination since the foil goes further down the jar then the threads does(while cooling).

Most likely I'm overthinking this, but I'm still wondering.


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Edited by Kloakk (07/16/25 02:32 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk] * 2
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I run my sfd llids without tinfoil and they work fine.

I'm using cheap Amazon lids and I find that they're loose if I take them out hot but if I tighten them they're difficult to take off when cool. I believe the plastic is softening/expanding just a bit when hot and shrinks as it cools. If I take them out hot to use the PC again I only tighten them with my fingers until I get the slightest amount of resistance any more than thatand they need a lot of force to loosen. If I let them cool in the PC they don't have to be tightened.


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Edited by PuffM4gicDr4gon (07/16/25 02:37 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 1
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:whathesaid: i try not to mess with anything other than agar until its at the same temp i put it in at


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk] * 1
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Kloakk said:
what I am wondering though is, with RTV'd "thick" SFD modded leak proof plastic lids, can I tighten the lids before the jar is cooled to room temp or would that result in vacuum and deformed lids?



Keep them finger tight at all times, don't crank them down. They won't warp in the pc because they have a filtered hole which maintains an equilibrium.

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I was also wondering if foil on the lids helps keep the SFD's dry(during PC cycle) and or helps with contamination since the foil goes further down the jar then the threads does(while cooling).

Most likely I'm overthinking this, but I'm still wondering.



The foil won't keep anything dry, it acts as a touch barrier to maintain sterility while handling. Steam will penetrate the foil and the SFD to enter your jars and displace any dry pockets, this is the reason we vent.



The video is a demonstration of the above.

Foil isn't strictly necessary but you've already gone through the trouble to produce sterility, the foil allows you to man handle the lids/jars while maintaining sterility.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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I wanna know how to move in my SAB to reduce contamination. Is there a tek or instructions on how to do this on the org, I can't find one anywhere.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: el boso] * 3
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I wanna know how to move in my SAB to reduce contamination. Is there a tek or instructions on how to do this on the org, I can't find one anywhere.




This should help you out. Very comprehensive and describes working in the SAB. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20048771#20048771

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Arkyhog] * 1
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Slow & deliberate is smooth, smooth is fast.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
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PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
I run my sfd llids without tinfoil and they work fine.

I'm using cheap Amazon lids and I find that they're loose if I take them out hot but if I tighten them they're difficult to take off when cool. I believe the plastic is softening/expanding just a bit when hot and shrinks as it cools. If I take them out hot to use the PC again I only tighten them with my fingers until I get the slightest amount of resistance any more than thatand they need a lot of force to loosen. If I let them cool in the PC they don't have to be tightened.



Thanks for the input and insight Puff, appreciate it :hatsoff: And yes the plastic will expand and shrink with temperature change. I'm wondering though, if the cheap lids might do it faster because the plastic is thinner? And are the lids you use leak proof? This will be the first time I let my jars cool inside the PC so thanks for sharing this, I'll check mine tomorrow.

tryptkaloids said:
:whathesaid: i try not to mess with anything other than agar until its at the same temp i put it in at



Got it, see the reason I am asking is because I thought it was okay to finger tighten the lids with sticker SFD's before a PC cycle, turns out though that 2 of them warped when they where cooling. Now that I have change to RTV'd thick SFD's I'm just looking for best practice with new lids, thanks for helping me get this, sorry for needing it spoon by spoon :lol:

Stipe-n Cap said:
Kloakk said:
what I am wondering though is, with RTV'd "thick" SFD modded leak proof plastic lids, can I tighten the lids before the jar is cooled to room temp or would that result in vacuum and deformed lids?



Keep them finger tight at all times, don't crank them down. They won't warp in the pc because they have a filtered hole which maintains an equilibrium.

Quote:
I was also wondering if foil on the lids helps keep the SFD's dry(during PC cycle) and or helps with contamination since the foil goes further down the jar then the threads does(while cooling).

Most likely I'm overthinking this, but I'm still wondering.



The foil won't keep anything dry, it acts as a touch barrier to maintain sterility while handling. Steam will penetrate the foil and the SFD to enter your jars and displace any dry pockets, this is the reason we vent.



The video is a demonstration of the above.

Foil isn't strictly necessary but you've already gone through the trouble to produce sterility, the foil allows you to man handle the lids/jars while maintaining sterility.




As I mentioned above, 2 of my lids warped while cooling down when I used the sticker SFD's and I believe MycCycle experienced them blowing off during a PC run if he tightened the lids before the run :uhoh:

That was one of my concerns when I asked, I want to make sure that it is okay to finger tighten the lids or if that would create to much pressure inside the jar in a way that could compromise my filters or the RTV. But if you do it all the time I guess that is not a problem with thick SFD's.

Nice, then foil it is, that was my initial thought and what I ended up doing today, but appreciate you confirming it so I don't go around "cleaning shit that doesn't need to be cleaned"

I've seen all your videos, but I'll have a look again, just need to get out of my son's room without waking him up and have to do the sleep rutine all over again :crankey:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Kloakk]
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As long as the grain goes into the PC dry, it comes out dry. I haven't had any leaks. Only one of my filters failed but I accidently plugged the hole with silicone when I put the filter on. It created a pin hole in the filter.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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So I am looking to upgrade some from doing 6qt shoeboxes. I have a 16 qt bin I’d like to use. Is there a good rule of thumb for spawn per qt bin?

With the bigger bin do I need to worry about FAE at all? I was previously just using the method of leaving the lid on but not sealed.

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: el boso]
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el boso said:
I wanna know how to move in my SAB to reduce contamination. Is there a tek or instructions on how to do this on the org, I can't find one anywhere.



Also check out the videos in this thread.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mub] * 1
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Mub said:
So I am looking to upgrade some from doing 6qt shoeboxes. I have a 16 qt bin I’d like to use. Is there a good rule of thumb for spawn per qt bin?

With the bigger bin do I need to worry about FAE at all? I was previously just using the method of leaving the lid on but not sealed.

Thanks for any help.



I use 15qts (close enough for discussion) and I just treat them like I'm doubling up 6qts - 2qts spawn and then usually at a 1:3 ratio, so in this case, 6qts coir plus a top layer. I typically leave the lid unlatched, let it fruit, and then maybe halfway through fruit development, flip the lid or prop a corner up a bit once the fruits start contributing to the humidity levels and the condensation is noticeably heavier. Not really an exact science to it - Ive got the 6qts dialed in for my conditions and then just try to achieve the same with the 15s. Strategy adjusts a bit based on summer or winter, but thats the thick and thin of it anyway.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Mub]
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Mub said:
So I am looking to upgrade some from doing 6qt shoeboxes. I have a 16 qt bin I’d like to use. Is there a good rule of thumb for spawn per qt bin?

With the bigger bin do I need to worry about FAE at all? I was previously just using the method of leaving the lid on but not sealed.

Thanks for any help.



I usually determine my spawn ratio based on how clean my grain spawn is. If the jar looks good and clean, I mix 3 or 4 quarts of coir for every 1 quart of grain. If I have any doubts about the cleanliness, I stick to a 1:1 ratio of coir to suspect spawn and keep it in a shoebox. For fresh air exchange in 16 to 20 quart tubs, drill 1/4 inch holes just above the final level of your substrate mixed with spawn and any casing layers. Make three evenly spaced holes on the long side and two on each short end. Additionally, drill 4 to 5 holes under the handles on each short end to allow oxygen in and help expel carbon dioxide from the holes near the substrate. If you’re in a dry climate, consider placing micropore tape or filter stickers over the lower holes to help keep your substrate from drying out.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Arkyhog]
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I do my 12qt ones with 2qts of spawn + an appropriate ratio of coir for the cleanliness of the culture.

Anywhere from 1:1.5 up to 1:3 if I'm feeling froggy.
:smileyfrog:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: KlarnEvil9]
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KlarnEvil9 said:
I do my 12qt ones with 2qts of spawn + an appropriate ratio of coir for the cleanliness of the culture.

Anywhere from 1:1.5 up to 1:3 if I'm feeling froggy.
:smileyfrog:



Listen, pal...if you're feelin froggy, go ahead and leap!


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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ThurmanMurman said:
KlarnEvil9 said:
I do my 12qt ones with 2qts of spawn + an appropriate ratio of coir for the cleanliness of the culture.

Anywhere from 1:1.5 up to 1:3 if I'm feeling froggy.
:smileyfrog:



Listen, pal...if you're feelin froggy, go ahead and leap!



I totally would, but I'm old and my knees hurt.

edit - :oldman2:


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