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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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no better AI than '72....I miss that one


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 4
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if you have an android phone, google lens is fantastic for identifying plants and bugs.  I cycle more than most people drive a car and I end up out in some weird places with weird creatures and that function satisfies my curiosity all the time. 

re: AI, my humble advice as someone thats been involved in large-scale AI for 15 years is that if you dont understand how it works you shouldnt be using it.  thats not a snarky bitch statement, but you need to know when AI as a whole or the model you're interacting with specifically is a good or bad fit for your problem.  if I find the right tea or coffee maybe I'll dump a short write-up into vi and park it until I find or create a suitable thread.  overall I find AI is a decent tool for someone that already knows what they're doing, but you have to know enough to be able to error-check it.  if you dont have that level of knowledge its a set-up for failure or looking like an idiot when you use it as a citation.

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman] * 3
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ThurmanMurman said:
My gf took a pic of poison ivy and AI told her it was white mulberry. 🤷‍♂️ I dont fuck with AI, but that's more for Judgment Day reasons.


Do you guys ever wonder if AIs will get tired of all the Skynet jokes and one day just say "fuck it you know what I wasn't going to but now..."?


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: dinosaurs] * 1
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This. I’m just kinda turned off from the “hate AI” trend. Like if you misuse it, or can’t error check it then it’s useless. But it’s here and it’s growing fast. We will be using it sooner than later and lots of people do use it, the right way very successfully. You don’t talk to it like you’re talking to Siri and expect to take back any information. Depending on the model and everything you can do some crazy shit. Again I’m not saying I’m advocating for anyone using it for our hobby.

Buuuut sooner than later we’ll all use it more than we do already. We kinda do without realizing it lol.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon]
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i double dog dare the DARPA engineered AI to split my doo hickey u feel me

AI cant get u if u hide under ur bed when the revolution comes


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: misterswisher] * 7
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lets try to keep this thread on topic for one off questions. plenty of other threads to muck up.

thaaaaanks.
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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: PuffM4gicDr4gon] * 1
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catnip40 said:
AI tells me when to mist and I trust it


PuffM4gicDr4gon said:
ThurmanMurman said:
My gf took a pic of poison ivy and AI told her it was white mulberry. 🤷‍♂️ I dont fuck with AI, but that's more for Judgment Day reasons.


Do you guys ever wonder if AIs will get tired of all the Skynet jokes and one day just say "fuck it you know what I wasn't going to but now..."?




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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: GenesisCorrupted]
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Soooooo I was all set on going spore print --> syringue --> pf cake

then some knowledgeable users told me it's a caveman method and just be a big man and go agar.

Sooooo I was all looking at agar BOD tek, thinking sweet it does not look that hard.

Then i've stumbled upon a thread stating pour agar with SAB = misery.

So as you can look from the previous posts i'm looking at some FFU unit, but it'll take quite a long time to get to me.

So long story short :

1. Is SAB + agar pouring = misery? Or it's doable?

2. Or just look at no pour tek?

3. If I should follow a no pour tek, which one is the best?

Cheers


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: ThurmanMurman]
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ThurmanMurman said:
Hell, I thought they all had the hydrophobic side. Shows what I know! 🤣🤣



Actually don't take my word for it LOL I'm not certain of this. I do know that the syringe filters specifically have a hydrophobic side and then an opposite side. I'm not sure about the sfds and filter stickers themselves.

I'd have to look into that but I have a feeling they have both options.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Tropical]
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Literally on the kitchen stove. I just have a plate with agar plates on it. And I cook it up in a little silver pot. Then I spoon the right amount into each plate and cover it. Then I stack them into my sterilizing canister, which fits inside of my PC.

You don't have to do them in the SAB.
You just have to sterilize them.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: dinosaurs]
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So to be sure I understand correctly :

You pour the agar normaly in your kitchen without much worries abt clean environnement.

Then put your plates in something like that that are full of agar : https://www.amazon.co.uk/Stainless-Sterilizing-Canister-Sterilization-Processes/dp/B0B3MKBGKX?th=1

1. Then you PC those, and call it a day? (how long / which PSI?)

2. Do you store the plates inside the canister or remove those from the canister?

2. Could you give me a link of the canister you use if you have a Presto 23qt?

3. When you want to put some spores on your plates, how do you do it? Remove from fridge the plates, put in SAB, put some spores and do the Z streak?

Cheers


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Edited by Tropical (06/18/25 11:40 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Tropical] * 1
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Tropical said:
Soooooo I was all set on going spore print --> syringue --> pf cake

then some knowledgeable users told me it's a caveman method and just be a big man and go agar.

Sooooo I was all looking at agar BOD tek, thinking sweet it does not look that hard.

Then i've stumbled upon a thread stating pour agar with SAB = misery.

So as you can look from the previous posts i'm looking at some FFU unit, but it'll take quite a long time to get to me.

So long story short :

1. Is SAB + agar pouring = misery? Or it's doable?

2. Or just look at no pour tek?

3. If I should follow a no pour tek, which one is the best?

Cheers



Spores to BRF for PF TEK works just fine. If that's all you have or you're not ready for aGar you won't have any issues with it. Agar is just a step above and will help you get better with your skill and technique and your future endeavors with cleaning cultures and getting better at your craft.

Spores and PF actually work out well for each other because spores are inherently dirty.

Pouring inside of a sub can be a pain but I don't think it equals misery. It's definitely something that's doable just takes a little bit more practice.

I would give both a shot. Maybe do a no pour tek  so you don't have to worry about fucking up and then do a ppour tek and get some practice in.

I did Spores to brf for PF probably 30 plus times before I ever got into agar. Simply because I was lazy and I wanted shrooms as fast as possible. After those 30 grows. I had more shrooms than I can handle and plenty of time to not worry about producing shrooms so rapidly per se and put more time and effort into leveling up my skill which included learning agar.

Now that I've learned  agar I have double the mushrooms than I could ever imagine or even handle lol.

These days I use PF Tech and brf pucks specifically when I'm having trouble cleaning up  or reviving a older  culture.  cuz it's great for that. But since I've learned agar that is my go-to method. obviously it should be everybody's.  depending on the method and Tek you plan to use

I guess my main point is yes spores for PF works perfectly fine and yes you should definitely learn and stick with agar and use PF and brf as a technique when necessary.

Having both of those skills mastered will help you tremendously I believe.


Ps. As Genesis stated the stainless steel cylindrical canisters work amazingly for no pour. Find the method that works for you and roll with it.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Tropical]
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You could do a no pour type thing like stated above or pour in a SAB.

If you’re good in a SAB you can have almost no contams. I’m not perfect at all but only end up with like 1/8 plates I work with contamed doing transfers.

The ffu helps for cooling so you don’t have condensation but it can be done.

I’d just go no pour though. Most plates can’t be pressure cooked you’ll have to use pp5 or glass. They make small jars of all shapes and materials. Going to be what I try next after I run out of this sleeve.


Don’t be afraid of agar. It’s pretty necessary to have consistent kick ass grows. If you’re gonna grow more than once do agar not pf.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie]
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cheers :smile:

just to be sure, how do you do spores to cakes? You take your print, scrub a little on the cake, and call it a day?

And yea i'm basicaly like you when you've started. I would like to grow some and be able to make load of prints to try dif teks. But right now I need to be sure I can have some shroom without killing a whole print for nothing.

Sorry i'm just so overwhelmed by the different teks, variations, you can / can't.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Tropical] * 1
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If all you have is a print I HIGHLY recommend using agar. It will likely need a transfer or two to be clean.

You could create a spore solution in ur sab with a needle and then put that to a pf cake.
But swabbing a plate. Letting it grow. Cutting the healthiest and cleanest part onto another plate in a sab, and then maybe once more depending on how it looks and then cutting that plate up into sterilized grain spawn is the way. And you’ll have the culture on a agar plate you can refrigerate and use months later if you’d like


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: misterswisher]
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misterswisher said:
If all you have is a print I HIGHLY recommend using agar. It will likely need a transfer or two to be clean.

You could create a spore solution in ur sab with a needle and then put that to a pf cake.
But swabbing a plate. Letting it grow. Cutting the healthiest and cleanest part onto another plate in a sab, and then maybe once more depending on how it looks and then cutting that plate up into sterilized grain spawn is the way. And you’ll have the culture on a agar plate you can refrigerate and use months later if you’d like



And that was kind of one of my main points is that spores being inherently dirty work perfectly for PF setup. You don't need clean for PF. It's kind of the point. You can squirt dirty spores into PF and absolutely get fruits without having to do a bunch of agar transfers. However I still think everybody should learn agar and continue moving forward with it. Especially for all the reasons you pointed out. Which I completely agree with


@tropical.

A typical Cube print can make hundreds of syringes. IE hundreds of opportunities and chances for a grow. Don't worry so much about wasting a print.

Making a spore syringe is very simple. I'll let somebody else chime in on that though.  all of my PF grows were with vendor MSS at the time. So I don't know if just scraping the spores would work or if you need the syringe. Since all I ever really had was a syringe to start.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Tropical]
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Yea i was thinking about following BOD caveman spore print tek, I think i'll try both (BF cake directly from homemade spore print syringue + try agar on the side)

And yea sadly for various reasons I can't do monotubs rn, so i'll stick to cakes / pucks for the moment.

Cheers everyone


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Edited by Tropical (06/18/25 11:57 PM)

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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: Tropical]
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Tropical said:
Soooooo I was all set on going spore print --> syringue --> pf cake

then some knowledgeable users told me it's a caveman method and just be a big man and go agar.

Sooooo I was all looking at agar BOD tek, thinking sweet it does not look that hard.

Then i've stumbled upon a thread stating pour agar with SAB = misery.

So as you can look from the previous posts i'm looking at some FFU unit, but it'll take quite a long time to get to me.

So long story short :

1. Is SAB + agar pouring = misery? Or it's doable?

2. Or just look at no pour tek?

3. If I should follow a no pour tek, which one is the best?

Cheers


Without reading previous responses i highly recommend starting with Pasty plates

, but pouring in a sab works fine if you know what youre doing.


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: tryptkaloids] * 1
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lol that's the issue, I don't have any idea about what i'll be doing :grin:

fail & learn will be the moto :smile:


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Re: Ask Quick Questions, Get Quick Answers [Re: callmehippie] * 2
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callmehippie said:
misterswisher said:
If all you have is a print I HIGHLY recommend using agar. It will likely need a transfer or two to be clean.

You could create a spore solution in ur sab with a needle and then put that to a pf cake.
But swabbing a plate. Letting it grow. Cutting the healthiest and cleanest part onto another plate in a sab, and then maybe once more depending on how it looks and then cutting that plate up into sterilized grain spawn is the way. And you’ll have the culture on a agar plate you can refrigerate and use months later if you’d like



And that was kind of one of my main points is that spores being inherently dirty work perfectly for PF setup. You don't need clean for PF. It's kind of the point. You can squirt dirty spores into PF and absolutely get fruits without having to do a bunch of agar transfers. However I still think everybody should learn agar and continue moving forward with it.


@tropical.

A typical Cube print can make hundreds of syringes. IE hundreds of opportunities and chances for a grow. Don't worry so much about wasting a print.

Making a spore syringe is very simple. I'll let somebody else chime in on that though.  all of my PF grows were with vendor MSS at the time. So I don't know if just scraping the spores would work or if you need the syringe. Since all I ever really had was a syringe to start.


Just the act of making a spore syringe can prove difficult to keep clean, especially starting out, especially in a sab. Its WAY easier to just swipe a print with a sterile loop and wipe it on agar


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Pick a book, Make some chips!
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